To think this is vile

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www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1267500/Meet-SWAGS-Service-Wives-And-Girlfriends--cheeky-n aked-calendar-raised-26-000-Help-For-Heroes.html

Money raising or not- urghh, just urrrghh.

"Whoever mentioned Nazi... clear from the text "Redcap Sarah keeps intruders Kelly and Rachel under guard" that it wasn't a Nazi."

I was the first one to mention the Nazi connotation WD, nothing to do with the Redcap angle and everything to do with naked women shown up against a fence with a guarddog watching them - The SS trained dogs to rape women in exactly those circumstances in the Deathcamps.
What do they say about ignorance being no defence?

Whoever thought up that particular scenario is spectacularly uneducated - it was crass at best, completely insensitive at worst.

I only just saw this one...

By Pronoia Wed 21-Apr-10 23:37:08
So

We wear high heels because men like it.

We shave our natural adult body hair because men like it.

We take off our clothes and show our naked bodies because we know it will raise money because we know men like it.

It's not a HUGE leap of the imagination to government funded prostitutes.

Government funded prostitutes. ROFL.

Mal - how do you know if the dog was male?

What is most irritating is that all this controversy and pretendy-its-only-for-charidee guff is that it appears that the primary reason for this "calendar" is to promote "Kelly's" glamma model career

The first thing that comes into my head when I think of 'charity calendar' is naked fireman! When I was at uni the (male) rugby team did a naked charity calendar. What about 'torso of the week' in heat magazine? Is that sexist?

Sometimes I feel that people on here ignore that rather obvious and to call a charity calendar 'vile' is just a huge overeaction.

Thats what I thought AF- the pic of her tits out in the Sun proud of punch. The 'for charity' bit was a good excuse imo

And by he way, I am not someone who thinks its ok if every young girl aspires to become a glamour model or WAG. However, I dont think any of these girls (bar one perhaps), wants to be the next Jordan - they just want to raise money for a cause that is hugely important to them. Maybe, just maybe, the thought it would be a fun way of doing it.....

5dollar, I agree with you totally.

While it's great that they're raising awareness for the cause, I just can't agree that the means justify the ends.

On an aesthetic level there's so much wrong with the calendar. The 'cheeky' poses are dated and submissive, depicting women as playtoys and airheads. The naked arses are just tacky and dehumanising, especially when liberally splashed with foam/cream.

The pictures with pseudo uniforms made me cringe. My grandmother was in the Wrens and I look at that picture of the women surrounding the aeroplane and feel so depressed.

Women are struggling in the forces to be taken seriously, to not be harrassed and assaulted.

Take a look at this article which makes the figures very clear how ingrained a problem this is:

"More than half of all servicewomen, or 9,384 personnel, responded to the survey, and almost all had experienced sexual jokes and stories or been exposed to sexual language and material in the workplace. The survey found a high tolerance for such behaviour, but more than half of the respondents said they sometimes found it offensive. Women were most insulted by explicit sexual language, details of sexual exploits and pornography.

More than two-thirds of the women had direct experience of sexual harassment, which ranged from unwelcome comments to unwanted touching and sexual assault.

Of the 15% of women who had had a "particularly upsetting" experience, an eighth said it had been a sexual assault. The findings also consistently showed that younger women and women of lower ranks were more vulnerable to sexual harassment. Nearly half (49%) of the experiences lasted for two months and 23% lasted six months. A quarter of those who had had a "particularly upsetting" experience were considering leaving the forces and 11% had health problems.

Nearly half the women felt there was a problem with sexual harassment in the services, and the longer they had been in the service, the more likely they were to think so. By contrast, most servicemen involved in focus groups on the subject did not think there was a problem."

Scaryteacher, what a ridiculous comeback "how do you know the dog is male?"

If you cannot see the poorly-disguised "dog as aggressor" overtone in that particularly lovely image, then there is a problem

No I don't see the dog as an aggressor. Guard dogs are the norm at Forces establishments when perimeters are patrolled. I see them as security not aggressors.

scaryteacher, you are very naive

scaryteacher - that's not even worth a comeback.
If you can't see the nasty undertone of the imagery, you are spectaculary uneducated too.

My DH, being ex-military, has the very particular forces "brand" of sick humour, even he agreed that the image was very dodgy.

I quickly looked at the pics. I can see some people have studied them in more depth.

So you are saying that when the girls decided to set up that image they thought to themselves 'right we are going to get an agressive dog in this picture because that will REALLY turn the fellas on'?

If the women had shaven heads, would that paint a better picture for you?

Naked women , security fences, guard dogs - even the dimmest people will have seen Schindler's list at some point I imagine, if you can't make the correlation that doesn't say much for you I'm afraid.

sams...you think that "the girls" really planned the content of the pictures ?

you too are very naive

I am guessing hte grls didnt set the pics up they would have been far more tasteful if they had,

samstown, I'm actually saying that whoever set up that photo didn't think at all.

scaryteacher, how can an image of a guard dog, two naked women facing away from it with their hands up, and a fence be anything but terrifying? Where is the humour there? I didn't know about the Nazi reference, but I didn't need to know that to find it disturbing.

Now we do know, I'm stunned that you don't feel horrified by it. Your line of thought seems to me a bit like saying that since you enjoyed summer camp as a child, these 'camps' at Treblinka and Belsen can't have been all that bad. Words fail.

I have never schindler's list......I'm certainly not 'dim'.

apart from when I miss words out of a sentence....I have never SEEN schindler's list!

Thanks for the uneducated comment , and I am not naive, I'm far too old and cynical for that - you are reading more into the image than is there imo.

I would point out that just because I don't agree with you does mean that I am spectacularly uneducated; I merely have a different viewpoint.

I also object to the comment that the Forces have a 'sick' brand of humour. Their humour may be more robust than some can cope with, but I wouldn't say it was sick.

Scary didn't imply anything like that at all for heaven's sake! why don't we discuss the OP's post rather than the dog picture.
I too, when I saw the dog, didn't think anything other than "oh, there's an RMP dog going around the perimeter fence. Yes, the pics are tacky and old fashioned but I think the people who have bought the calendars have done so in good faither because they believe in the charity and what it does for people like their DHs/DWs.

If you don't agree with objectifying women in a nude calendar, then you won't agree with objectifying women in a nude calendar to raise money for a good cause.
Unless you have a consequentalist approach to morality I suppose.

Lucie, then you should, everyone should.

Those awful things are still happening in different parts of the world, brutality and using sex as a weapon to subjugate and dehumanise - it's not resigned to the past, unfortunately.