To think this is vile

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Money raising or not- urghh, just urrrghh.

Nope - just thinking KRH are here.

I dind't post that to prove a point. But army families all stick together and whether it's morally right to get your boobs out in that style, to us, isn't really relevant; we all just want to stick by our men/women.

It still doesnt compare to me really- they are having fun miming along to a pop song- not climbing over fences with their ghoulies on display

Oh I totally agree with the sentiment of wanting to do something and raise money for what I think it a very deserving cause. It is a travesty that you have to do fundraising to pay for things which by rights the MOD should fund.

I still think getting your tits out is a bloody daft idea though. And some of those poses are dodgy imo.

no lucie i am still not convinced about the bloody calender!

db says it isn't the dead so much that upset him, although each time they have a vigil he is choked, but the injured. Earlier this year three lost 5 limbs between them from IEDs on one patrol.

That's why the money is needed, to help those lads, and I have to say every time we hear someone is hurt we cross everything and hope it is not db.

lolol at ghoulies.

I haven't heard mens bits called that for donkey's years.

Why of course. The Masai Mara have an exploitative culture based upon the tits-out principle.

It is exactly the same as page 3 and naked calendars.

Ban the Masai Mara!

I wasn't posting to compare; just to show you some of the guys and put the guys in the picture. Half of them probably don't even agree with being out there but they take the queens's shilling and do their job.

Whatthe - nope - DH sent me the link on his last tour I think it's been passed round everywhere.

Not really Morris, they can't afford/have no access to the silicon.

That's why their men are so grumpy - also because they don't have a camera to make a calendar....

'Had you watched the recent programme about how the amazing doctors, nurses paramedics and surgeons actually spend over half their time treating afghanchildren and adults in army hospitals at Camp bastion, (putting their lives at risk to remove them the streets where they've had a leg blown off)I think you might think twice about makin false comments about dropping bombs on everyone!'

The coalitian starts a (very probably illegal) war in Afghanistan and thousands and thousands of innocent civilians are killed,maimed orphaned and widowed as aresult
.Oh but that's Ok because some doctors and nurses treat a few of the 'lucky' ones in a field hospital.
I have a neighbour who has just come back from a volunttary 3 month stint at camp Bastion.He feels exactly the same way.

vile is a bit strong no? its a tad degrading but there are bigger fish to fry

I think 18 year olds dying , and lack of equipment is vile, not this

But he had a voluntary stint.

Unless he wants to career file himself with a jail sentence my DH doesn't have a choice.

There are a couple of things that make me (as a navy wife) uncomfortable with this.

The first is that there is the need for the wives to raise money at all. It really is pretty shocking sometimes the way the forces are treated contrasted to the high demands made of them. Am very at the poster (princessparty?) who seems to think they are worthless. As for the "well, they knew what they were getting into", it's a big leap between starting a job aged 16 and realising what it actually entails. When the firemen went on strike over pay and conditions, the forces stepped into the breach, getting paid far less. It makes me really sad that people don't appreciate the forces- too much taken for granted, because they CAN'T strike, need to give a year's notice and most genuinely are commited to the work they do. It seems to me that the Government are also guilty of taking them for granted, hence the disgraceful need to raise money this way.

My second gripe is that our society deems this the best way to make money. Say what you like about these women "demeaning" themselves- I don't think they are, but that's not the point- the fact is that they would NOT have been able to raise money as quickly and effectively any other way. That's because of the society we live in, where (as MorrisZapp said) celebrity culture rules. Some of those girls could be brain surgeons but society wouldn't be interested in that. It pains me that the best renumerated people in the UK are the sad airheads who litter the pages of thousands of crass 'sleb mags- I would honestly rather my children saw this calendar and understood what these women are trying to achieve than started reading that crap!

I think good for these women in doing something to raise the money necessary. I think it's bad that raising funds this way is necessary or that this should be the most expedious and surefire way to raise it

Not quite accurate about the coalition starting a war princess.

So,Princess, we pull out of Afghanistan, the Taleban takes over, women are back to being treated as second class citizens, no education, not allowed out without a male member of their family; summary executions are resumed after Friday prayers; and the Taleban forge into Pakistan and all hell lets loose; what would you expect our Armed Forces to do then?

I recall thousands of innocent civilians being killed in the Twin Towers ... which is what started all this. Perhaps you have a short term memory.

"It pains me that the best renumerated people in the UK are the sad airheads who litter the pages of thousands of crass 'sleb mags- I would honestly rather my children saw this calendar and understood what these women are trying to achieve than started reading that crap!"

Most accurate and intelligent thing anyone on this thread (including myself) has said yet jooly.

"I think good for these women in doing something to raise the money necessary. I think it's bad that raising funds this way is necessary or that this should be the most expedious and surefire way to raise it"

That says pretty much what I wanted to say.
Plus it really isn't that different from the WI calendar, IMO.

The women in the calendar are putting themselves firmly amongst the crass sleb mag brigade though jooly

in case you want to know what the money is spent on...

No -they're not scurryfunge! You are looking at their boobs and deducing that. How do you know what any of them do when they're not creating a charity calendar? One could be a doctor, one a scientist, one a policewoman. If these women were models in their day job, then it might be slightly different but to group them crass is incorrect.

Thanks for that link, luciemule - that has let me see that the HOme from Home at Headley is under way after all the initial problems they had acquiring it - never seen such a bunch of pathetic NIMBYs as the people around it!

scurryfunge- yes, they are. Out of necessity, not because they wannabe famous, not because they've been on some lame reality TV show, or want the celeb lifestyle that seems so coveted by young girls nowadays, but so that their nearest and dearest have the best chance of survival and proper medical care.

Yes, they could sit at home and write letters to the PM/ the BBC/ the queen, but the need is great and the need is NOW. Logically they need to cash in on the screwed-up culture that exists today to get what they need when they need it.

Which of you would be happy to sit and watch your husband die for lack of equipment/ medical care if you could have flashed your boobs and prevented it? How far would you climb from your moral stance then? I'd flash my old saggy tits at anyone who cared to look if I thought it would save my DH's life

So why not have them potraying themselves for who they really are then? The point was they are lumping themselves together to produce an image that will sell quickly to men to raise money, regardless of their natural talents

scurryfunge that is the crux of the matter "an image that will sell quickly". Yes, they could write their life-stories, but that takes time. Training for a marathon takes time. Sales of a calendar of women sitting at their office desk and explaining what an actuary does will not sell to the same degree- we all know that! We all know what sells!