To think this is vile

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Money raising or not- urghh, just urrrghh.

I don't think the West should change in reaction to the Taleban (which isn't to say the West is perfect, obviously).

But it is beyond sad that women in supposedly liberated Western countries end up in a situation where they decide, on recommendation from a boyfriend, to take off their clothes in order to raise money, because the government got into a stupid war and now won't back their own troops. We should be showing how good Western culture is, not how degrading and badly-run it is. Imo.

I dunno about 'the West' as a whole, but I think Britain should change because I really hope and believe we're better than this.

There is a big difference between the taliban's objections to this calendar, - which I think would be that naked women are tempting to men, who are unable to control themselves if wicked women tempt them and mine, which are that the objectifying of women in this way perpetuates the misgynist mind-set that pervades our society, and encourages the belief that women are always sexually available, and only have value if they are young, beautiful naked and with big tits.

And in a minute someone is going to say that I have no sense of humour, have hairy legs, wear dungarees, and am jealous because am so ugly I can't get a man. Oh, and probably someone will call me a lesbian too.

Some of these statements are true.

I have hairy legs, seeker, and am hideously ugly. I do, however, have big tits.

These are important facts, I feel.

But you obviously have a sense of humour! You can't possibly be a Feminist!

I didn't see anyone write women should not be allowed to be photgraphed naked or otherwise...or forced to be photographed naked...

sgb - i think your arguments would hold more weight it it was men and women cavorting about bacchus fashion. but it is just women behaving like tits with their tits.

I don't see that our society does only value women if they are young, beautiful, naked and have big tits.

'carry on being promiscous, immoral and dragging up little asbo kids and wannabe glamma models and reality tv starts because after all who needs a brain when you can get such admiration for stripping off innit?'

Well, I am neither promiscuous nor immoral; if my ds ever gets an ASBO he will wish he hadn't been born; and I prefer to use my brain rather than my tits.

LRD - it was her decision, as I said earlier, my dh could suggest / recommend all sorts of things, but they won't happen unless I want them to.

Has hairy legs and has only worn dungarees during the 80s when it was completely appropriate & acceptable!

scary, I didn't suggest it wasn't her decision. I did make the point that - as she's chosen to publicize - her boyfriend is the one who had the idea.

I don't think our society values glamour-model type women with the big tits etc. at all - in fact, they seem to me to be presented as disposable and exchangeable. What is upsetting is that this is still presented as something to aspire to!

I dont have a problem with nudity and would love to have a great photo of myself naked before it all goes down the pan.

But this calender I think is extrememly tasteless and I was disappointed to see it.
Agree the prison/ dog one really turned my sstomach and that was before I read the NAzi connotation.

To raise money for'Help for heroes' is vile.
These are not conscripts.They choose to join the forces knowing that death and disablement are both occupational hazards.Why not 'help for deep sea divers' or other dangerous professions
And heroes? Yeah right to drop bombs on the civilians of one of the poorest countries in the world, on behalf of the richest and most powerful, doesn't seem very heroic to me.
How about raising money for their victims?

Oooh Princess...contraversial lol

I'm assuming you won't be posting that on the 'Forces' Sweethearts' section, princessparty!

I tell you what - let's let the Taliban and other extremists run unchecked. I'm sure they won't fly any more planes into any more buildings, or try to invade other countries and impose totalitarian regimes on them. And I'm sure that when the threat gets closer to our doors, you won't be flapping and wailing that those heroes should be protecting you and your precious little princes and princesses.

"To raise money for'Help for heroes' is vile.
These are not conscripts.They choose to join the forces knowing that death and disablement are both occupational hazards.Why not 'help for deep sea divers' or other dangerous professions
And heroes? Yeah right to drop bombs on the civilians of one of the poorest countries in the world, on behalf of the richest and most powerful, doesn't seem very heroic to me.
How about raising money for their victims?"

I'm with scary - these calendars (as well as other, less controversial, fundraising activities) would not be necessary if the government would uphold its end of the Military Covenant.

As for the rest of your post - what utter bleeding-heart unrealistic piffle.

Blimey, did the Taliban fly planes into buildings? Which ones? I'd like to know.

YANBU, this calendar is vile and depressing.

Princessparty, with those ill informed views, you're a disgrace, that's all I have to say.

" great to see our country plays up to the stereotypes the countries we fight against have of us...immoral little slapper western women who shed their clothes at the drop of a hat" - what about the weird things that Afghan men treat young boys RRW? Now that is vile.

The calendar is no different to a Carry On film and if that were so wrong, then the Beeb would have stopped showing them years ago. however, the majority of the population see them for what they are - a bit of saucy fun.

Referring to Carmen's point about violent/sexist men in the army- I have lived on camps for years and without a doubt, soldiers have been the kindest, most helpful and protective men I've known and I would trust them with my life. Yes, there might be problems at times with abuse/rape/violence etc however, you would find these sorts of stats in police forces too and obviously in civvie homes.

When someone said that it wasn't raising the 26k that was the issue- well that's exactly the issue! If the govt.gave the money needed to help soldiers through the recovery plan, then the calendar would not have been made. Let's see how many other ideas would raise that cash so quickly.

Yeah, but there's always one jcscot.

Morris, all the thinking seems to be that the Taleban and Al'Qaeda are closely intertwined, and it is difficult to tease out where one starts and the other one ends, so I suppose in a way, yes, they flew the planes into the Twin Towers in New York.

As I asked earlier (and dont think ANYONE replied to..) those who think this calender is fine, would you display it at home where small children would see? If not- why not?

No I wouldn't because I like my nice RHS one!

If you had the calender would you....I love it when people answer what suits them!

surely the point of this is that none of these women are glamourmodels with bit titzzz?

Most of them are, like us, saggy bossomed, fat arsed and riddled with lumpy cellulite.

So in turn, if there are squaddies out in Afghan or Eye-raq, oggling these women,they are oggling real unairbrushed take me as you find me women. What a healthy message to send to the Taliban - we appreciate our ladies' beautiful forms no matter what god gave them, lol. Also these guys are going 6 months with out sex, they need something to have a little knuckle shuffle over.

If they don't have this on their wall it'll be that pyscho Jodie Kidd or some other airbrushed numpty, on all fours in submissive sexual positions with a big collagen pout that says I'm happy for any man to take me up the wrong 'un

I'm an army wife and I personally couldn't give a stuff if my husband had it up on his office wall. I work in an all female environ and they are just as bad when my husband turns up to get me from work, or the fire brigade turns up.

Mind you Soho fire brigade are pretty horny, I often have to stop my self from shouting "me love you long time".

Whether we would display it or not (which I wouldn't) doesn't matter to us (army wives). We actually don't care how the money is raised (as long as it's legal) but just that it is raised.

Whoever wrote the comment about "raising money for help for heroes is vile" ....have you thought that because those soldiers choose this as their career, means that you can sleep safe in your bed and that the UK remains protected. Had you watched the recent programme about how the amazing doctors, nurses paramedics and surgeons actually spend over half their time treating afghanchildren and adults in army hospitals at Camp bastion, (putting their lives at risk to remove them the streets where they've had a leg blown off)I think you might think twice about makin false comments about dropping bombs on everyone!

I would buy one and it would probably stay in the draw and then be recycled. However, although my DH wouldn't put it in his office, I wouldn't mind if he did.
It's simple - they knew how much money it would raise and that's just what it did.