to be disappointed that the inmate who attacked Ian Huntley didn't do a better job?

[Vallhala]

Unfortunately it appears that Huntley will survive.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8579226.stm

AIBU in thinking that it's a pity that the harm caused to Huntley wasn't fatal?

And if not the death penalty why not an island somewhere, very remote

And if not the death penalty why not an island somewhere, very remote

Maybe the rest of the world has already thought of that and it's called Britain

YABU

The OP is vile.

YABU.

I hope he lives until he is 100. Why should he be given an easy way out by death?

I agree with those saying murder is murder, state sanctioned or not. You cannot say that murder is bad and worth punishing, if you then retaliate with murder.

How is that in any way logical?

Valhalla couldn't agree with you more.Then give the thousands spent on his prison bill to someone/something more deserving.

Madame I am shocked to hear a Mother on mumsnet defend paedophiles' behaviour.

It's not ok to have sex with little children, under any circumstances.

Morally, legally repugnant. While these perverts are defended by the parents of those they prey on there is no hope of eradicating them from society.

Agree, I had to look twice at Madams posts to check what I was reading.

Spend years controlling their urges - FFS you almost sound sorry for them

Alouise, don't be ridiculous. Read Madame's post again. She is not defending paedophiles' behaviour, and it makes you look absurd to suggest she did.

YABU and disgustingly so.

I hate it when there's any Huntley news on the telly, the idiots always come out and try to prove how much they love kids by how much they want to kill paedophiles etc.

Thank god for MN, where the majority are sane and rational.

good grief, we can't help what we think, but to actually type it means the thought has lingered. YABU. We aren't meant to judge who lives and dies however vile their crime. And lingering on thoughts like this isn't going to improve your life or happiness.

I think Madame makes good points. As was said around the time of the Baby P case, if that child hadn't died, there was a good chance he would have grown up to be an abuser in his turn, and many (though not all( abusers are the product of abusive environments and more needs to be done to intervene earlier. But the fact remains that a government which tries to stamp out crime with state cruelty does not succeed and it makes for an appalling society to live in.

Actually if you look at how homosexuality was treated years ago it is much the same as paedophilia is now.

ANd I do not agree with what they do at all - I have 2 small children and think my first answer would be to kill anyone who hurt them and I think maybe I would BUT I think in any society you have to have a level of understanding as to why people do things to try and stop it or channel it somewhere else.

I did not come up with this myself you know either - there was a debate at college years ago and we had a criminal psychologist in to speak about sexual crimes and I base my beliefs and reasoning on what she said and the thousands of men she interviewed year upon year.

Think about how people commit crime because they have a drug problem - well being a paedophile is to a degree much like that - they have a drug problem of such and eventually it will get the better of them and they will abuse a child.

We could take it to the extreme and see if we could find the gene that maybe causes this and then we could force women to have a test for the presence of the gene and force them to abort or maybe gas the babies at birth - where do you draw the line to keep society safe - wait until they offend and then treat or make sure they don't offend by stopping the problem at its root.

I see day in day out children who have been abused, I see the people that do the abuse and why it happens and the results and not just sexual abuse and I have an understanding from more than what our sensationalist media prints so please if you do anything stop demanding people die.

It is a bit more of a debate that covers science and morality than just executing people.

I agree with MadameCastafiore.

Once such a hideous crime has been committed of course anyone is apawled by it, and by the perpitrator. But surely we as a society need to try to establish why these things happen in order to prevent them happening again in the future? In order to stop paedophiles becoming paedophiles before they start?

It's easy to see the paedophile as a monster - the stereotypical old man lurking around the corner, when in actual fact that's far from the truth, and the average paedophile isn't a monster at all, but the scout leader, the priest, grandad, uncle Frank, the nursery worker. And many paedophiles are not violent, they are loved, and therefore trusted, by those they abuse.

I watched a programme once about a paedophile ring that had been smashed, and they actually managed to interview one of them, and he genuinely believed that he loved children and didn't think what he felt was wrong.

But the problem is that we don't want to understand why it happens, we just want to string up the bastards to stop them getting to our children, and that's understandable. But if we could establish why these feelings develop in certain individuals, then perhaps we could seek to prevent these crimes from happening before they do.

Nah Wannabe..I'm not into all this sit them down and have a nice chat and a cup of tea..

...I'm more line them up against the wall and shot em....

Most people think like me...

And that's thankfully why you choose not to work in prisoner rehabilitation, dp.

YABU.

Sometimes it's a good thing to be stopped from carrying out your urges. The urge to abuse children or the urge to kill somebody who abuses children.

Ha ha....

Just read back a bit...it always amazes me that anyone who is in favour of the death penalty is considered thick..?

China has the death penalty and their the 2nd richest country in the world...

You don't become the 2nd richest country in the world by being thick....

I don't feel sorry for him at all. He showed no mercy. But then neither did the rapist who did him. If I was the parent I'd want to do it myself.

China, of course. That bastion of freedom and caring, where all human life is valued and nobody lives in fear.

Oh please.

And anybody who thinks that the two options available in dealing with appalling criminals are a) the death penalty and b) a nice cup of tea is indeed thick, imo.

Just realised that by DPs logic, Americans are the most intelligent people in the world.

No disrespect to any individual Americans who may be on here but lol to that concept!

Are you having a laugh MZ???? Their currency is trouncing all the others, has been for ages and they will make the most comprehensive recovery from the economic recession.

Not so stupid methinks.

I don't think I can have a rational debate with people who think that a country's economic might is a measure of the success of their criminal justice system and if it's citizens' or gvt's intelligence.

Bonkers.

MZ: I think it's another example of the stupidity of the vigilante mindset. They think a country with an absolutely appalling record on human rights is great because it just doesn;t occur to them that it could be them banged up in jail, tortured and indeed executed for crimes they either didn;t commit or which are not really crimes in a civilised country.

Without a successful economy nothing works and everyone rots.

I'm hardly bonkers either I just happen to disagree with you.