to be in disbelief that this is being shown?

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Lady Gaga's new vid...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ95z6ywcBY&feature=PlayList&p=C4B9C7326E087E89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL& index=1

I personally love Lady Gaga, but felt very uncomfortable when this came on the tv today, my little sister was visiting and I had to switch it over. I watched the video online and loved it, but I can't believe they are showing it during the day. The only thing missing from the edited version is the swearing and the close up of her lady bits!

World gone mad

I love it though.

calling the car Pussy Wagon is just a tarantino rip off!

actually the vid didnt offend me at all.

If you are letting your DCs watch this type of thing then please go and read this:

Sexualisation of Young People Review

and then come back and let us know if you can see why it might be a problem.

If you don't think that it is a problem for women to be portrayed like this in a video which is in the mainstream viewing arena then have a look at the Object website:

"OBJECT challenges ?sex object culture? ? the ever increasing sexual objectification of women in the media and popular culture through lads' mags, advertising or lap dancing clubs.

Sex object culture has been driven by the mainstreaming of the porn and sex industries and is recognised by research, women's organisations and human rights treaties as promoting the attitudes associated with discrimination and violence against women.

I couldn't work out if this was something Lady Gaga decided to do, or if it was something someone decided Lady Gaga should do.

so now we need a government committee to tell us "that violence against women and girls is unacceptable whatever the circumstances" do we?

well id never have known that. thank god for studies such as these. and boo hiss to pop videos that show ladies cavorting about in their underwear. i feel saved.

detect the tone of sarcasm? hope so.
my late sister was a lesbian and was at one time heavily into feminism in a big way. i prefer something called

"common sense"

works wonders when liberally applied.

agree with MmeLindt, this is misogynistic wank fodder scripted by middle-aged male record company executives. The women parade around a jail in their underwear and ride around in a "Pussy Wagon". It is totally unrealistic and tries to glamorize crime, murder, revenge and anti-social behaviour. As MmeLindt says it is part of a process of desensitisation which is harmful. The fact that the producers know they can get away with it and that children will think it is cool shows how far the desensitisation has gone. The producers are laughingly spitting in the face of society as they count up their cash.

need to say no offence intended there...i have much respect for dittany, but i may have to agree to disagree on the gaga vid. i dont even like gaga...but i fail to see how a music video can be the the epitome of all ills toward women. some people are wankers. some will objectify women whether or not ladygaga rolls around in her undies.

i get just as fed up when films are blamed for real life violence or music is deemed the work of the devil. works of fiction are just that. fiction.

but VicarInaTuTu have you thought about why there is so much violence against women and girls?

I have just started to research and think about these issues - I find it really shocking when I think back to my childhood and compare eg the music videos then v now, the ease of access to porn.

Please can I challenge some of you to read at least the executive summary of the report I linked to above.

Also bear in mind that although you may think that your/your DH's views are not effected by these images - what about your DCs. How can this fit in with them learning about sex in a healthy way?

Link won't work on my iPhone. Quite relieved. Absolutely sick of women pandering to male fantasy and dressing it up as empowerment.

i was challenged. i read it.

my children (12 and 18) are learning about sex from me, from books, from school, from college aswell as the other images they see. neither of my children are rampant sexual predators so i think im doing ok.

seriously - think its a massive cop out to hang the blame for the ills of society on a particular thing such as porn or music or film. it absolves blame. whatever happened to personal responsibility? so its ok to abuse women because you saw a music video? sorry but i think thats just rubbish. our upbringing has far more bearing on how we view the world than what we see on the television. i have never bought into the thinking that music or film has any bearing on right or wrong. if someone is so way off beam that they cannot distinguish between fiction and reality then there is more at the root of the problem than what they see on the television or what they read in a book.

didnt they burn books once that were deemed unsuitable? madness.

Ew this is so skanky. And, imo, the song is shit. She's really not as hot as she thinks she is, on many different levels.

dittany is spot on. The executives know exactly what they are doing and they also know why. It's similar to the way that they deliberately glamorise Winehouse and Doherty. They know what effect this will have on young impressionable minds. By accepting this as the norm, you are opening up Pandora's box.

i was exposed to far worse than this and with respect i still knew right from wrong.

i was a victim of abuse from the age of 7,through to 15, but i still knew what was right and what was wrong, i think thats why im here now, having the life i have now. i have no contact with any blood relative other than my one living sister.

i am not exceptional.

i still think its way easier to blame a pop video than look deeper into the problem.

abuse makes abusers.

not pop culture. not horror films. not marilyn manson. i think to blame these things is a huge cop out and lets people off the hook.

remember the outcry about the chukky films when the james bulger case came to light? those kids were damaged way beyond what watching a horror film could ever do. that was a people problem. not a film.

i really do think to give society a convenient hook to hang the blame on absolves them/everyone of any responsibility.

these artists don't make their own decisions. These things go through management review and middle-aged executives decide whether to allocate the budgets for promotion and advertising. The decisions are made by hard-nosed cynical business executives. There will come a time when they will decide to drop Gaga and then it will be curtains for her, and they will move on to the next "artist" that they will push on to the gullible public who will swallow whatever the executives decide to dish out.

My 8 year old DD has seen Bad Romance. It was on in HMV when I was in there. Or am I a bad parent because I have taken my children into HMV which is now an adult environment?

Or how about the street? Am I irresponsible for taking my children to the theatre because it turned out we had to walk past a lap dancing club and the street to the theatre as the street is now an 'adult environment?'

Or how about the phone box which has a life size picture of a lap dancer stuck to its exterior? Just me being irresponsible for making a phone call with my children in an adult environment?

Or the newsagents with its porn mags? Am I irresponsible for going in there?

Where would you like me to take my children in order for me to qualify as a responsible parent?

blardy hell

DS2 (6) watches the music channels, as he loves dancing and singing along to them all.

Not keen on most of the Lady Gaga stuff - but when put along side much of the others not that bad (iywim - don't think he's even realised half the women are dancing around half naked...........yet he's quick to look all embarassed when he sees be in my underwear ).............well except this one.

Guess that's his favourite after school "activity" (prancing dancing around the living room) off the cards now........

I think it is FABULOUS.
Not for children though.

dittany, what has that got to do with this video?
I found it exciting and a bit erotic. Both are good. Not for kids though. Are we in disagreement?

films and media influence people's minds. Violent and anti-social films influence people. A couple went on a killing spree, influenced by the film "Natural Born Killers". Glamorising drugs, porn, murder, crime, violence etc. desensitises people and removes their natural inhibitions. That is why censorship exists. If all the barriers of decency are broken down then this will lead to degeneracy.

"A couple went on a killing spree, influenced by the film "Natural Born Killers""

I have a problem with this line of reasoning. That's one couple out of how many people who've watched Natural Born Killers? If all or even a large group of people had done the same, then fine, the film is at fault. But that didn't happen.

Going by this logic Tom & Jerry influence killers, I'm fairly sure that at some point one murderer will have seen it. But would you connect the two things?