to be in disbelief that this is being shown?

[RydellHigh]

Lady Gaga's new vid...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ95z6ywcBY&feature=PlayList&p=C4B9C7326E087E89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL& index=1

I personally love Lady Gaga, but felt very uncomfortable when this came on the tv today, my little sister was visiting and I had to switch it over. I watched the video online and loved it, but I can't believe they are showing it during the day. The only thing missing from the edited version is the swearing and the close up of her lady bits!

World gone mad

I love it though.

'snort at Lenin being the biggest lesbian on MN'

indeed, at a petite 5'4 i doubt she's even the biggest lesbian in her own house....

Jusify My Love always makes me want to have sex

of course this sort of rubbish influences people. Unfortunately many of you have already been brainwashed into thinking that women taking their clothes off and parading what used to be private parts is "empowering" when its just expolitation for wank fodder.

So now we have children sexualised at increasingly younger ages. Soon there will be more calls for the age of consent to be lowered.

Me too Anyfucker....

I've decided I'm not a feminist.

I am a fair-weather feminist

joke people

Actually, just the first few bars of the music does it for me...I don't even have to watch the video

but then, I am a massive Madonna fan...and not ashamed of it

I find feminists too touchy...they seem so wrapped up in the dullness of life...I'm all for womens rights and all that...but I don't mind doing things just to please my dh...infact I love it.

Looks like they've got their own section now anyway...thank god....keep them all in one place..

Bet their xmas meet-ups a riot...ha ha ha

Soph whenever I hear MGMT's 'Time to Pretend' I think of you.
[realises sophable still doesn't know who pofaced is]

I say that as you linked to it when it first came out and I've always loved it.

Just watched it for the first time to see what the fuss is all about, love it instantly

tries to think of something smutty....fails..<

to be honest, i don't want my kids watching MTV for prolonged periods anyway, but more because i would rather they liked Serious Music (although again things like the video from In Utero and some of the rock videos could give the poor weans nightmares...)

but i think waggling bums to a little is is more likely to be funny thananything else.
And i really don't see Gaga selling to the make wank market - imagine 12 yo boy telling classmates he really likes her? they'll just call him gay (especially since th alegation that she had a dick). Sad but probably true?

she's just trying to represent herself positively, I reckon. I'm coming round to the pov that she is this generation's Madonna and will be doing whatever the fuck she likes for the next 20 years, and there's going to be a "what on earth does Gaga think she's doing" thread on here bi annually- for every video- for the duration

[Mystic Madam Ruby emoticon]

i got DH to watch the gaga vid today - he couldnt see what the fuss was about either

he says its a copy of a genre called exploitation movies - (not exploitation of women but exploiting the relaxation of the censorship rules in the 60's and 70's)

read all about it

my DH is a mine of useless information too!

nothing new about the gaga vid.

To MmeLindt

Lady Gaga IS shit dressed up as art,

She promotes herself as being quite experimental/original musically.

but once you ger past the odd clothes and contrived image, and actually focus on the music, it is very bland limp plodding MOR indeed.

let's face it, it's porn.
i wonder if she and her ilk ever get to sit in a hotel lobby in india, asia or the gulf, watching the men in those countries watching that and all other similar vids and no doubt assuming that all white/western women consider it all quite normal behaviour and are basically available for sex.

read the exploitation movie link provided by Vicarinatutu. I think the key is in the word "exploitation"

"Exploitation filmmakers didn't care about socially redeeming significance. They very honestly (or shamelessly) cared mostly about making money and knew how to do it by making fast-moving, diverting pictures that piled lots of action and sexuality onto the screen. They were happy to exploit the less-respectable sides of life, and they did so with gusto as long as it was profitable. No subject was too risky or sordid desperate bikers, horny cheerleaders, black private dicks, velvet vampires, student nurses, chainsaw killers"

Gaga's video is nothing new, it's in the same cynical exploitative vein, aiming to shock and make money.

People wonder why many kids now have less respect for others, and why they grow up to be adults who don't give a damn and think anything goes, but they can't see that these kids are influenced by the images and anti-social messages that they are subjected to by the exploitation filmmakers just out to make a buck.

Pink is a huge stereotype. Her message is all a bit clumsy Spice Girls girlpower. "Ooh, I'm going out without my bloke so I can have a big laugh" (So What). Hah, I'm not going to shag you so you'll have to go and have a wank (U + Ur Hand).

Telephone isn't the best song in the world and the video isn't amazing but I do count Gaga as an artist. Her fashion sense alone is utterly original could fill an album. And if you think it's just thongs, you've missed a lot. (Hair-bows, cigarette glasses, make-up to put David Bowie to shame... that mad head dress that looked like orbiting planets etc. etc)

The Paparazzi video is much better imo, but is more normal in terms of length. But it's very cinematic, self-lampooning and eye-catching. Telephone is getting more coverage because of the shock value, length and Beyonce.

I do think Bad Romance was possibly the best song ever made though

but even to understand what gaga is ripping off doesnt mean i think its a bad video. its done in the same vein as exploitation films - but i did link the page for a reason and that was for people to read the full account of what they were and how they came into being - one paragraph taken out of context doesnt explain it. im not a fan of exploitation films but the big of gagas vid set in the womens prison, the feel of it with the product placement etc is in the same vein. im not saying that is a bad thing particularly, my point was that this video was nothing new and im sure that hordes of people came out in force to protest at the originals in the 70's.

i still think that the answer is pretty simple in that if find something offensive then you dont watch it.

i wonder how many people who think its porn or degrading or offensive actually still sat and watched all 10 minutes of it!

bit not big! whoops!

actually just gone and looked at her other vids - id say that telephone is the best of a bad bunch

this video is similar to many other messages that are all over TV and magazines and pop music. Unless you are a hermit, you can't avoid them. The majority of people think they are fine, so you are bound to be influenced by them and exposed to them.

They are shaping the culture. In fact they are deliberate attempts to shape the culture and change society, as shown by the article that Kerrymumbles linked to in the magazine "Out" about Lady Gaga's prion yard girlfriend

"Whenever I see truly queer representations, especially embedded in such a mainstream moment like "Telephone," I think of kids in the middle of Kansas who maybe aren't exposed to anything, and then they see this Lady Gaga video, and they start asking questions. Even something as fluffy as a pop music video can be hugely influential.
Totally. Gone are the days when if you're against the war you go and protest on the street. Protesting doesn't stop wars anymore. Going to your gay pride rally is nice -- it makes you feel good, but unfortunately we don't live in that era anymore. The only way you can create social change is to insert yourself into the machine."

The original exploitation movies were 'B' movies made on a shoestring budget, seen only by a few film buffs. The difference is that the new breed of exploitation movies want to go mainstream and be shown in every home.

Sex is used to sell the videos, to spice them up, but it is not the main negative of these videos. Product placement is not a big deal. The problem with exploitation movies of biker gangs, drugs, violence, horny jail babes etc. is the glamorisation of anti-social activities which influences and forms the minds of young people. The majority of adults no longer think there is a problem with any of it and the kids think its exciting and racy too.

10 mins of a gaga video and 373 posts later

and all i can think is

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......... pink!!

Seems to me that the main effect of the pornogriphication of the music industry is that children either get exposed to really unsuitable and fairly unpleasant words and images or really can't listen/watch main stream music at all, because it is everywhere. Which is a bit sad really.

Being an old fogey myself I remember when music videos were interesting, not because they sought to shock (big whoop, as I'm not a teenager any more that really isn't terribly interesting - surely that's a very passing phase?), but because people were pushing the boundaries of what you could do. I really liked things like Sledgehammer, Take on Me and You Can Call Me Al. Now it just all seems incredibly samey T&A crap and I don't think there is very much I'd want to share with my nine year old dd. So she listens to music that is incredibly vanilla (Jonas Brothers, High School Musical etc) or old stuff that we like. That seems a very poor outcome to me - at nine my dh was into Madness (my family didn't have a TV or listen to pop music so I have no early exposure to musical culture at all) I just don't see much now that is much fun.