...to want DS's nursery to not use words like "ta" and "doggie"?

[Naetha]

I understand the benefit of getting babies/young toddlers into the habit of saying "ta" instead of thankyou as it's easier to say, but when they're 2+ and saying thankyou perfectly well, isn't this a bit infantile?

And why doggie?? Surely dog is easier and straight to the point.

Am I just a snob?

RockBird.

I lost braincells BEFORE I ever put on the logo'd poloshirt..

I blame the children. I swear that the placenta is actually made up of brain matter... Then again, I did drop A"level Biology..

I must say that my ability to converse is somewhat affected by working with small children... you DO pick up bad verbal habits!! We try very hard to maintain proper conversation (well as proper as it gets), as this is all part of a new strategy to improve the social and communication skills of the LO's in our care (standards in school age children are slipping, with more and more needing SALT apparently). So we do know how important proper communication is... even though I found myself saying "have you getted your coat, sorry GOT your coat", once...

My kids say 'hiya' and 'ta' at nursery.
I say 'hiya' and 'ta' at home.

That is the Grim North for you

My kids drop letters to annoy me... They say "Bu uh" and "war uh", etc... then laugh at me... We say Hiya all the time... We must be common. Yep, we are, we also say, crispies... I even roll my eyes at myself for that one..

I say "ta" and "hiya" and I am a Southern Oxford graduate. And I wear Boden. And neither of my parents were Northern. What's that all about then?

Needless to say I don't have a problem with "ta", and have no strong feelings either way about "doggie".

Nearlyfree - well said.

My dd2 calls all doggies "woof woofs". she's 14 just think it's endearing at the moment (20 moths)

If she uses the terms in her GCSEs I'll throw her out the house. The shame. The shame.

But don't get me started on teaching them "I done"...

I have never used baby language with my child, and I don't think it's a good idea. Why teach them one word, only to have to re-teach it later - or have them talk like dumbos?
i'd never say "doggie" but "German shepheard", "doberman" "poodle"....
Nobody ever says things like "breaddie" or "butterie" or "table-ie" so why use stupid kiddie talk at all? Just dumbs them down.

Collegue of mine who studied how children learn language says (bare with me - am tired...) that the reason we often do the whole doggie, kitty cat, fishie etc was a natural way of teaching the consonant so in doggie the 'g' sound is reinforced...

Also littluns use the onomatopoeia and words that sound liek what they are saying hence woof woof a brum brum etc as it is easy to put sound to symbol when they hear that sound being linked to that symbol.

Hmmm.

I don;t like ta. Simply because there is a proper word - why not say that??? O prefer a singing 'Thank you!' type thing

But it doesn't, does it? My kids are NOT dumb, but I am sure I said doggie as well as dog, doberman etc to them. There's lots of different ways of expressing all sorts of things - language is a rich and varied tool. Of course kids should have access to Standard English so that they are comfortable conversing in it, but seriously having to "teach" doggie only to have to "teach" dog? Imo kids don't learn language that way, they learn it by immersing in the different idioms of the people around them.

They are not learning vocabulary but sounds and grammar.

SO doggie doesn;t mean they will always say doggie, Its a process

Loving the 'toddler dumbing-down' concept, Calamari. 2yr olds are so, well, childish, aren't they... we need to get them a bit more intellectualised

LOL

Bloody Hell, not sure I'd be able to differentiate between a Doberman and a Daschund...

WHat about vehicles? Do you say "Look at that big blue Volvo!" ?

Ad Calamari - what's a "dumbo", if you don't mind?

YABU. And yes, a snob.

has anyone mentioned 'motherease'?
that by saying doggy/ piggy etc the use of the 'ee' sound emphasizes the last letter of the word therefore actually helping the child hear/grasp/learn the 'g' sound.
And 'ta' well am not keen but for no good reason! It's no big deal, learning social niceities - thank you will come in time!

Ah mumble! just spotted your post....

Holy cow! Is this site for real? I have just joined after reading how the leading political parties are all vying for the votes of this highly influential and enlightened group of women....??? Really??Read this back and see if you are not embarrassed. And PCSMum, hang your head in shame..

I am a level 3 qualified nursery nurse, have been a nursery manager, nanny, childminder and have 13 years experience. i am currently one assignment away from a level 4 qualification in Early years and 2 years away from my foundation degree. I also have 2 children one of whom has autism so have experience of SN.
I currently get paid £5.80 and hour as a room leader of an after school club!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wow, didn't realise how much of a hornet's nest when I started this thread slightly tongue-in-cheek!

I can't really say why ta and doggie grate so much - I live up north, but rarely hear ta used other than by my enormously condescending Hyacinth Bucket wannabe not-quite-step-mother-in-law. Maybe that's why it grates so much.

I don't mind teaching words like that to establish speech when it's difficult to enunciate the "proper" word, but in a room where the youngest is 2, it seems a bit silly when all the children there can already say thankyou and dog.

I do find it annoying, well I did when DS1 was a nursery, doggie is ok, but all the 'wanna' instead of 'want to' and 'like' every other word - it annoyed me.

But as long as you speak how you want to at home, all should be well.

I detest 'ta' also. And 'how you doing'

Must stop now.

PS: I am no Queens English advocate, just peeved at some things!

PPS:

But then again I do live in Cheshire, which is in The North, but obviously not the Grim Bit. I drive a 4x4 and my DH is a footballer and I am very orange and I know how to talk posh.

And of course that is a joke - BOOOOYAKASHAAAAAAAAA!

I work in Childcare and hold a BA (Hons) Early Childhood Studies and Foundation Degree Early Years Care and Education. I came out of university with a 2:1, and I am also just about to start a Early Years Professional Status course to become a graduate leader. That takes 15 months and after that I am starting my MA Early Years.

I work for £6 an hour in a nursery and want a child focused role, so have no intention of going in to management. 4 out of 8 staff at my nursery are trained to degree level. I do it for the love and couldnt care less how much I get paid.

Also PCSMUM some people do things because the y want to create a better society and help others. In addition to working in the nursery, I also volunteer with Childline, look after my own kids and volunteer with Save the Children. Not all people care about status and money and I would rather be like me then like someone stuck up like you.

Well said Sunshine!

sunshine - You are right not all people care about status and money and it is a rare individual that is altruistic. You are the exception and not the norm in this society.

arabicbean - You would be surprisd. There are already 3000 EYPS in this country which means a childcarer with a degree and then Early Years Professional Status. Most of us are on the minimum wage or not much above.

I have met loads in local area and nationally whilst on training courses and I dont know any being paid more than £6.90 an hour. That includes management and this career path is particularly popular with mums. I go to courses with a lot of these people and we are all in it for the same reasons.

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