To just not 'get the 'daily flying' lists which include things like "Had a shower.." ?

[Chablis]

Firstly, yes, I know IABU, but seriously, can someone explain why people make these long lists of things which include "put the dishwasher on" or "ate breakfast" or "cleaned teeth" as if they are some kind of major achievements on a to-do list?

Surely these are just things you do automatically, as part of living, non?

Surely it takes as long to type these things down, as it does to do them?

So what's the point? Seems a sort of self-delusion of leading a busy, productive lifestyle?

Isn't it all a bit, well, meh?

OP you get fuck off with your

I tried to 'explain' as you asked. I tried to do so kindly. Now just stop.

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So annoyed I can't even swear correctly.

LintR - who was that to? (I haven't posted very recently)
Your post reads more like a personal attack than any of mine actually...

I wasn't aware that so many of the posters on the Good Housekeeping threads had mental health issues, or were struggling to keep their head above water etc - I understand where people are coming from when they post these things if it's all they can manage to get up and get the kids to school...

However there are clearly other posters who do not have such issues, and also have some 'big' stuff on their to-do lists, which presumably never gets done because they've 'ticked off' their 10 things for the day, which included

1. Woke up
2. Had a shower
3. Ate breakfast

Just think it reveals an interesting insight into human nature (i.e. procrastination) and for these people I can't believe the list can help at all, because they've convinced themselves that they've done loads when they, er, haven't....

Absolutely none of my business.
Doesn't affect me in any way.
I really don't care.

But I still find it interesting, and wondered if anyone else had ever felt the same (have found out that they do).

No need to get knickers in a twist...

(4. Untwisted knickers...)

Horrible OP, bitchy and mean spirited. Nice. Aren't you just warmth and understanding personified.

Actually, what I do find odd in the OP is the view that someone would list major acheivements. I KNOW that DD is in a show, that I have to write a paper, that the kitchen needs redecorating, that DS has a birthday soon. Why would I want to list those?

What I do need to list is the things that are not major acheivements but NEED to be done in order for there to be any likelihood of the major acheivements ever happening. So of course lists run like:

1. Buy masking tape.
2. Buy paint
3. Mend dance skirt
4. Find data stick with correct data on.

And so on, because they are the things that will be forgotten or procrastinated on.

And on bad days I list

1. All put on boots
2. Make up all lunch boxes etc

Or I wouldn't get out of the house on time and would be stressing about who had forgotten what at 6.30am.

I don't know why any of this is an issue!

Calm down everyone. There is room for everyone with all their different ways. Let us offer each other love.

Oh god chablis - why the fucking fuck do you care? Really??

well I love a good list with plenty of detail
In the past when I had anxiety so bad I couldnt leave the bedroom without having a panic attacks the likes of flylady and the lists really made the difference between being able to look after my children and not. My list at that time would include such goals as
changing nappies at certain times because I had to go into the kitchen to get rid of dirty ones, feeding the children and playing games with them/reading to them etc (they were only 2 and newborn but still my lists made me aware that hiding all day wasnt really an option).

gradually as these things became easier I expanded my lists to include things such as shower (there seriously is a step before having a list with this on!) and cook food for myself.

NOW I dont have these problems so much (well going out to far away from the house is still a major activity but not somethin I need to do day to day!) so my lists are more ambitious BUT I still so rely on the, to keep things together.

They help some people they dont help others I dont really see what there is to get.

That isn't really offering love, is it?

i tried the list thread before xmas... i put all my big jobs in a list and was hoping having them 'out in public' would help motivate me.

sadly my poor list drowned in the sea of 'got up, got kids up, got dressed, got kids dressed........' and i ended up just writing my list on a sheet of paper and shoving it on the notice board.

it does seem rather time consming to list everything like that..... and thay have to spend ages copying and pasting and rebolding the dones everytime they do the tiniest job..... wouldn't work for me tbh, think it would tip me over the edge tbh!

i tried fly a few years back too but sort of fell out of it, it was good to get me used to having a vague routine but i found it far too regimental and a bit of a pita tbh

Channels Black Eyed Peas

[wails plaintively]

Where is the love?

[swings arms]

uh huh uh huh

Doesn't this thread just indicate that we all have different ways of getting through life and not much more?

Share the love.

To Do List

1)Hurl something altogether worse than love at Hully
2)Rest
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"because they've convinced themselves that they've done loads when they, er, haven't...."

I disagree.

Try spending an entire day (or perhaps two if you could survive that long ) where you do none of those things

Don't shower
don't cook dinner
don't take the DC to school
don't empty/load the dishwasher or wash up
don't do any washing
don't tidy up
don't eat breakfast.

These are all things that take TIME, whether they "have" to be done or not, they take time. Achieving nothing would mean, well doing nothing for an entire day.

Chablis - I think its the exact opposite actually.

No-one forgets to do the big things in life, because, well, they are big and stare you in the face.

But the little things like remember to pick up dry cleaning so you have a great dress to wear to your huge meeting on Thursday at work, or a mango for your DD because she ate one for the first time on Saturday and loved it, or just washing your DDs dance kit because she's got a two classes this week, well, they can slide when you are really busy.

Your comments make me think you have very little to do, TBH!

You have all my love Hully. There is none left to give.

I am spent.

FFS! I have 3 DC and DH and I both work full-time. There isn't any time for anything. Weekends tend to disappear in a hectic blur of crappy chores and errands. I only seem to have time to firefight. And when I look round a cleanish house, knowing that my Dc are at school, clean and dressed with all the right things, and I am on my way to work with my clothes on the right way round and make-up and with my lunch, I feel like I've run a bloody marathon. But I've done no more than the basics.

And please stop hurling love hully. I've just cleaned that bloody floor

hully just chucked in on my clean floor

Chablis, I don't know you, but your last post makes you sound even more like a stirrer, I'm afraid.

Terribly impressed, though, that you've had the time to start this thread and repeatedly post on it even though you "really don't care".

I do lists.

I tried posting for a while on the threads, but they got to much to maintain. Plus i like just ticking and moving on, not having to do personals as well (no offense everyone on those lists, I just didnt have time to eep up!!)
So i printed it, put it in a plastic sleeve and tick things off as I go. I wouldnt say my lists have stuff like eat brekkie, but they do have things like make beds etc so not small but not big. just the day to day stuff really that keeps a home running efficiently.

DH loves coming home to a nice clean house and i know that if i tick off all the things on my list he will. And then things wont overwhelm me, and I wont get anxious or depressed. When I am spiralling, the first thing to go is the housework. I have had moment where i have rung DH in tears at work as i couldnt find a pair of trousers for DS1 to wear to school. He talked me through it, gave me "permission" for DS1 not to go to school and to relax (I was seriously at breaking point) and when he got home he pointed out that DS DID have trousers, I just couldnt see them n my anxiety. We then put systems in place to help me from getting tht way again. Lists are one of them.

FWIW, Here is my list.....(and I acheive it most days. do YOU do that much??? And I still send LOADS of time with my dc's and read books, play lego and do puzzles or baking. Plus school runs. plus I am on the PTA. no, I am not perfect, but my lists help.I am anal and busy )

List:

Entry Areas
Sweep
Tidy Shoe mat

Kitchen
Wipe down counters
Wipe down sink
Unpack Dishwasher
Repack dishwasher with brekkie/lunch etc
Sweep floor/Mop
Take out rubbish
Start dinner

Living Areas
Vacuum/Mop
Pick up miscellaneous clutter
Wipe down Dining Table
Wipe down TV table
Dust

Bedrooms
Make beds
Pick up laundry and put in hamper
Hang clothing that can be worn again
Remove water glasses to kitchen

Bathrooms
Wipe down counters, sinks, toilets
Hang towels to dry
Pick up laundry and put in hampers

Laundry
Wash
Hang out/Collect in
Fold/Iron
Put away

Is there really a slatterns thread on here ? Or is it on Flylady ? And can someone please point me in that direction ? I don't want none of your love BTW Hully. It still hurts from last time.

oh and OP - you are a bit of a knob really

Oh Jeremy Don't you want your love?