I want to ask this somewhre where I might get a range of responses so not asking in SN, ismore a would you agree with this lady thing than a AIBU. Sn kids in mainstream education.

[Peachy]

Someone today whom I respect immensely and regard as kind, told me that in her opinion children with disabilities like dyslexia etc (so ampresuming the whole gamut of SEN - SN) shoudln't be in MS schools because of the effect on the other kids.

She is someone who though not employed by school has access to DS1 (ASD) and ds2 (SEN not sure what) during school time in a volunteer role. I pretty much trust her.

DS3 attends an SNU placement, but I do wonder how many people really share that attitude. My experience and belief tells me that different kids benefit from different settings so parents should have final say (it took me 2 years to get ds3 his place, and I face a battle now to get ds1 into SN Comp placement).

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oh your poor dd... she is probably excessively shocked by any behaviour that isn't princessy.

you seem to have the erroneous idea that aggression and behavioural problems are the same as SN.

The vast majority of children with SN aren't aggressive. Most aggressive children are probably NT. Go in to any school and find the bully and I bet he/she is NT.

"The 18 other kids in the class are more entitled to be a MS school because they are not stopping anyone else from learning !! "

The most disruptive children I know are NT and don't have an excuse for their behaviour.

My sister was a special need assistant looking after two ASD children who were very challenging, but most of her problems were from 8 children in the same class who were continiously on report and their parents denying their little darlings ever did anything wrong.

I don't understand the question princessparty.

Nor your last sentence.

Are you putting special needs and behavioural issues together? This thread is about children with sn in mainstream education, not behavioural issues and their management.

According to the DFES behavioural, emotional and social difficulties are a special need. Most children with an SEN are NT. NT is not the opposite of SEN.

Honestly? I think it is fabulous that AEN and SEN children are educated - with appropriate support- in mainstream schools. Good for everyone - my NT children have gained enormously from their inclusive primary education.

But but but but. My ds often comes home upset and frustrated from Cubs because there are children there who, because of their AEN, find it hard to take part appropriately. There aren't enough properly geared up grown ups, so games and projects get spoiled on a regular basis.

Inclusive education is a wonderful idea - but for it to work it needs proper funding and staffing. Rant over - for the time being!

You are a bully to describe my daughter like that because she does not enjoy her hair being pulled her eduaction ruined and snot smeared over her and her belongings.I have not dissed anybody else's kids.

My DC are going to have to get a decent education to get a job and pay taxes.These taxes will be paying benefits for many of these SN kids in years to come.THAT IS WHY THEY NEED an education more than someone who is virtually unemployable (not all SN kids but a higher proportion than NT)

I am going to hide this thread.You support my opinion that many parents of SN kids want people to bend over backwards to support them and their SN kids but don't give a stuff about anyone else's life chances they are ruining.Your last post proved that.
I am hiding this thread now
Goodnight

DD1 has SN. She also has 'challenging behaviour'. I thought she would benefit from Special School. ALL the professionals who have seen her have said 'mainstream with support', but she will need full 1:1.

Her statement came in two weeks ago saying "Special school".

However I as a parent have a right to a MS education for her. Yet the LA, knowing she has complex needs & knowing she would need full 1:1 say 'we don't give full 1:1'.

What if I insisted on a MS education for her? She would go to school with inadequate support, resulting in an escalation of behaviours.

princess, there are things you could do to help your DD - why don't you put her hair in a bun so that it isn't long?

DD will go to SS. I hope that it will be a place for her to be celebrated, not contained.

Oh, and she is hyperactive, but that is not why she is behaviourally challenging - she has a brain malformation, and she is 4

Toughasoldboots, hi, how are you

I was genuinely suggesting the bun for princessparty's DD, as a proactive solution to avoid the boy's touching. Not being sarky at all.

sadly there are people who think like that and I do know of children who were failed by a school closeby here in terms of meeting his needs ( he had dyslexia) teacher and school attitude was shite. i had heard that this school was quite fond of telling parents who had children with sn that really the school was not the best place for meeting their child's needs and perhaps they need to look elsewhere.

As you know dd1 has sn and I find whilst people seem to agree in principal with inclusion - when it comes to truly embracing it and totally getting and supporting it - then that can be a different matter.

We recommend long hair is tied back for health and safety issues, not to mention the headlice.

'Parents of children with behavioural issues just WILL NOT accept the idea that their DC can hurt frighten or disrupt the education of other children

I change name regularly so not very searchable but there are many threads from me acknowledging my awareness of ds1's behaviour.I am the one who is most often hurt by him in fact.

The provision that is there is there becuase I fought forevery bit against direct opposition from aschoolnot wanting a child with a statement to fleg up on thir stats;I know this, I have no options though as I cannot keep him home all day and the LEAthink he is fione in MS

I don't think I made comments about PP'sdaughter anywhere? I deliberately tried to be informative.

my daughter is sn and has never hurt another child in school.

This is a strange view that because they r sn they will automatically cus a threat.

the thread is turning a bit nasty we all feel that we have to defend our own children i av one of each .

have never had an issue with my daughter rubbing snot all over someones belongings, certainly should not be happening if the children r adequately placed.

really for safety and hygiene childrens hair should be tied back if very long.

it must be fantastic to have a perfect child that never does anything wrong goodness i didnt think that child existed lol

i don't see why any child should have to wear their hair in a certain way just to please another child, that is bullying.
it should be dealt with by the school whether the child is nt or sn.
but thanks this thread proves to me why a lovely sn school is best for dd.

princessparty Tue 26-Jan-10 23:13:25
"One thing which seems to be coming up again and again
Parents of children with behavioural issues just WILL NOT accept the idea that their DC can hurt frighten or disrupt the education of other children."

Ah right, so the answer is to send them to a school with other SN children. Because noone cares if SN children get hurt or frightened, do they?
Or if their education gets disrupted?

also princessparty who are you to say that your children when they grow up will be paying taxes to cover our childrens .
benefits ?

joke thats right cus your wee darlings will be perfect and get a great job, hate to tell u there is lots of sn adults function in jobs and can confirm highly paid jobs.

i pity ur children that you have such a dim view on sn

Special schools for dyslexic children sounds an interesting concept. So what about university: we have loads of dyslexic students: should we be setting up a special university?

just to show how differnt parents of children with sn are.
I am the total opposite to riven, dd thrives in an sn school, she has peers and loves it(as much as any 14 year old can love school)
so one size does not fit all.
and cp is pretty much different in each child/person so you can never make sweeping statements about it.
as the TA at the college ds is doing placement at found out to her cost when she told ds all kids with cp were still and sat still all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!