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to believe you can't steal husbands?

359 replies

WashwithCare · 10/01/2010 14:35

I have been perplexed to read on here that some posters seem to believe you can "steal someone else's husband".

I am sure you can steal a dog or a handbag, maybe even a good idea(!?!)... but spouses, even if belong with each other, certainly do not belong to each other.

Equally, I'm rather confused that once a man has married or other moved onto the ummmm... the "new model", how can the lady in question continue to be termed the OW? Surely, she is now "The Woman"...

Just wondering as people keep referring to the NM culture about this issue, so sorry if it has been debated before.

OP posts:
drloves8 · 11/01/2010 14:27

bonsoir - i ment re the schooling love!

Bonsoir · 11/01/2010 14:30

Oh you mean whether the exGF chooses to withdraw the children from school?

It's not decision, but I think she has a right to an opinion about the fact that the exGF seems to be behaving very badly towards her children! Children that are supported in so many ways by the OP and her DH.

Bonsoir · 11/01/2010 14:30

her

lowenergylightbulb · 11/01/2010 14:35

I agree with MillyR.

curiositykilledhaskittens · 11/01/2010 16:07

MillyR - 'I think the main problem in this is that many posters are siding with either the ex partner or the current partner.

The people who should come first are the children. These children were 1 and 3 when this man whom they call 'Dad' came into their lives. Yes, they understand that he is not their Dad, but what that means must have dawned on them later on in their lives. At 1, or even 5, and maybe even 8, the man you call Dad who has been there throughout all of your remembered life is you Dad.

So people constantly harping on about the legal aspects absolutely appall me. If you have raised a child for 10 years, you have a moral responsibility.

It does make me really angry that anyone would use the law to try and get out of a relationship with a child.

As I have said, my niece (not biologically) could be in this position if my brother walked out on her mother. I would put her needs as a child before my relationship with my brother.'

I am not siding with any of the adults but actually with the chidlren. The legal aspects are important because it is the XP, the children's mother, who is denying access to any of the three men who could be considered their fathers. The XP is emotionally manipulating the children, denying the DH access and egging the children on to abuse the OP (according to the posts the OP has made). AFAIC I think that the XP was very wrong to not facilitate support from and relationships with the chidlren's biological fathers. If she could not/would not/didn't want to for whatever reason and she wanted to let someone else play daddy (albeit it very, very well) and invest his feelings, and he was willing to invest time and feelings into the children then the responsible thing for the children's sakes would have been to legalise the new man's paternity. Having not done that, when the XP and the DH split up the reponsible thing for the DH to do would be to maintain support and contact, the responsible thing for the XP to do would be to move on and let the DH carry on being involved in raising the children emotionally and physically in some way and perhaps accept any financial support for the children that was reasonable. The XP has not done this in any way. She has demanded support for her entire family, she has been deliberately destructive to the DCs relationship with the DH - they are clearly upset and damaged by the way their mother is reacting to the situation and the things she is doing. Reading both threads I don't get the impression the OP wants to cut the children off because they're 'not his' as ppl seem to be implying. I reckon she's just fed up of the greediness, laziness and nastiness and she's emotional as rather heavily pregnant. The legal stuff is relevant because whilst the DH can give the XP and the DCs any amount of money he chooses without legal paternity the mother can deny him access and continue manipulating the DCs without any intervention. It is not healthy for the children or for the XP to feel bitter and spiteful for years and because of this try to take as much money as she can from the DH. I really believe that as long as the DH continues to support the XP (not the DCs) then she will damage the children emotionally. What I think is necessary is, difficult as it may be (I think also rather tough because the DH never sought to legalise the paternity and also should not have been complicit in taking over the fathering role when there are biological fathers out there somewhere unless they chose to reject their legal rights to the chidlren) I think the DH needs to set up the trust fund for their education, make it clear to the DCs (personally and if he is allowed to see them) that they are always welcome in his home because he sees himself as their father, no matter if it is in 2 days or 20 years and no matter what goes on and then he needs to let the mum do her little greedy strop. Unfortunately this may end up with the children being permanently poisoned by the XP and never seeing the DH again but the XP might finally be able to move on and it is vastly better for the children to be out of that horrible situation. If the DH had legal rights over the children he would be able to assert those rights through the courts but seeing as he doesn't, presumably through choice as he should know the law being a solicitor, it would be better for the children to take them out of a warzone which has no forseeable end. So yes, the legal stuff matters a lot...

TheBossofMe · 11/01/2010 16:11

I have to say, I'm not sure I understand why its such an issue if both OP and DH earn so much. That would imply that there is no financial hardship suffered by their household through the continuing financial support to exGF's children, in which case the argument might then be construed as somewhat petty. I guess it all depends on whether DH is happy to continue financial support, if so, under the circumstances, it seems even more inconsquential to the OP....

Bonsoir · 11/01/2010 16:19

I am very intrigued by the recurrent implicit references to the concept of "precedence" in stepparenting that seems to outweigh biology, legality or parental responsibility. Would that precedence exist were there not a lot of money at stake?

curiositykilledhaskittens · 11/01/2010 16:24

TheBossOfMe - I think the OP and her husband can probably afford it but it sounds like the XP is only begrudgingly maintaining contact between the DH and the DCs because she wants him to financially support her. I don't think the OP begrudges the DCs the money. It came across to me (reading all the OP's posts) that she was upset by the abuse and felt she couldn't tolerate it anymore because of her DD getting to an age where it might be damaging. Yes the DD is not the DH's but the DH is at least her step-parent and she lives in the family home which was originally the OP's own home and the OP has to think about her own daughter's needs, obviously! I think there is an argument to be made for financially (and emotionally) supporting the DCs but not the XP. Supporting the XP is prolonging the pain for the DCs as I suspect she would always have flounced off when the money ran out and stopped contact but the contact is damaging the children atm and the situation could be changed and the DH retain contact if he had rights but he doesn't so... ho hum... The best thing if you care about the children not being damaged and unhappy is to remove yourself which stops the XP feeling provoked.

TheBossofMe · 11/01/2010 16:28

curiosity - that makes a whole heap of sense to me now.

Bonsoir - I think that this does seem to boil down to the fact that there is a lot of money at stake - suspect the exGF might not give a proverbial about all of this if OP and DH didn;t have a bean....

mathanxiety · 11/01/2010 16:28

The way to sort all of this out is through the courts, whether you believe there are legal, moral, or human bonds involved. If the OP's H is serious about contact with the children or about his relationship with the children, even though they are not his biological children, he should have legalised or legally formalised the relationship between him and the children a long time ago, and with this would come a degree of financial responsibility for the children. It's rather late in the day now for either party to start trying to iron out who is responsible for what. The OP has a prize specimen on her hands, imo. Have only heard about the ex second hand here, but she too seems to have a talent for wanting to have her cake and eat it too. Two silly, selfish people....

Bonsoir · 11/01/2010 16:29

Yes.

So much for morality

CheerfulYank · 11/01/2010 16:52

I'm at a coffeshop paying for internet so I haven't time to read all 14 pages. Yes, I do think that the DH in question should support his children in some way, and yes they are his children. He's raised them for a decade. End of. And no I don't think the OP should have anything to say about it. They were part of his life long before she was. If he's paying thousands a month or something that's one thing, but paying a bit while their mother gets back on her feet...there's nothing wrong w/that IMO.

But I don't think they have the right to abuse the OP and that needs to be stopped.

WashwithCare · 11/01/2010 20:54

Bossofme

I was a little taken aback to read your consider that it is "petty" to mention the money, when DH?s offer is equivalent to everything he would earn for the next 18 months...

If your spouse offered an ex everything s/he was going earn for a year and a half, would you think it petty of yourself, if you gave the matter a second thought...

Anyway, doesn't seem to matter either way... the Angry Ex appears intent on turning it down. Head Teacher phoned to discuss DS today ? she has followed through and withdrawn him, so not at school today. This is DS? final GCSE year, and he's taking his exams next June. Weird, weird mother...

OP posts:
Bonsoir · 11/01/2010 21:11

ExGF sounds totally deranged to me - I can quite empathise with your feelings about her! Bad enough to witness without it costing a lot of money into the bargain...

TheBossofMe · 11/01/2010 21:20

Ex sounds like a total lunatic IMO. However, I think you are compounding your own pain, OP, by thinking of things in terms of how long it takes to earn the money...

MollieO · 11/01/2010 21:28

I've skimmed this thread so apologies if it has been said already.

This sentence caught my eye

"If he left me for someone else, I would assume that our marriage wasn't great, and that my husband hadn't been happy with me."

To OP why would you be to blame if your dh left you?

Oblomov · 11/01/2010 21:40

I don't understand the hatred of the OW. I know some women really chase. But a husband can only be stolen if he wants to be.

Frostythesurfmum · 11/01/2010 21:45

I think that it's not that there wouldn't be an issue for WWC if money wasn't involved, more that there wouldn't be an issue for her if the sustained abuse wasn't involved.

SupportHelps · 11/01/2010 21:53

I do believe you can "steal" a husband as it just happened to me. My husband and I were having problems (he's bipolar) so I remained supportive and he would go back and forth with wanting to leave (it's part of the disorder). He came to me recently and asked again for a divorce this time saying that friends were telling him to leave and he didn't feel comfortable asking someone else out while still married. I asked him if it was a friend of mine and he was adamant it wasn't her and stated reasons why he didn't want to be with her (a lot of drama around her and very immature). I also asked his friends if they were telling him to leave me and they said no. I asked my 'friend' if she told him to leave me and she said no that she only told him he wasn't doing me any favors by sticking around. Uhm, isn't that telling him to leave? Then she stated several reasons why she didn't want to be with him including the fact that she had a boyfriend and that her friend was married. Although I am heartbroken about him leaving I supported him through this thinking there wasn't someone else and I just needed to give him a little more time. It turns out they slept together a couple of weeks later and continue to do so. I know it wasn't before because he and I were together. I also know this is just his 'manic' phase and for those who don't understand, he can be completely in love with you one day and the next, he questions his existence. I believe she lied to me and deliberately connived to take him away. Other friends of mine recently told me this isn't the first time she has done this with a married man.

His behavior towards me now is one of absolute disgust - as though I've done something wrong. I have seen both a couple of times and was cordial to them. My husband was kind and civil even giving me a hug (yeah, this was for show so everyone would think he's the greatest). She treated me like I was the other woman.

I am stuck because I cannot do anything. He has always said I think in circles and don't have a good grip on reality. I went to counseling for a year because of it thinking maybe I needed help. My thinking is very logical. If you ask me to stop saying something or acting a certain way I stop. I stop because you are important to me. Once I would change a behavior or attitude, he would later say the opposite when he was in his manic state. I would ask him why because it would leave me confused. He is the one who thinks in circles and it's part of the disorder. It is really hard to live with, which is why I am torn.

He did it again recently in a rage saying the complete opposite of what he did several years ago. My questions to help me understand are never answered. This is how I know it is not me. I will take fault in how I used to react when I did not understand the disorder. But the past three years, I have been nothing but loving and supportive. He continued to have his ups and downs and I never fed into them. I figured time would show him my loyalty and we've only had three or four arguments in two years. Fantastic improvement, but he only focuses on the arguments and says he doesn't want to go back to the way things were three years ago. I keep telling him things haven't been the same as three years ago - for three years!

Everyone's situation is different so you cannot lump every man who is "stolen" as a cheater. I do not consider my husband as a cheater because he came to me first before the relationship happened. I know some of you may think it was happening before, but I know it wasn't. And every woman who sleeps with a married man is not a home wrecker. There are women out there who start dating someone only to learn later he is married. That happened to me several years before I met my husband and, of course, I was pretty upset with the guy. Unfortunately, I was naive enough to believe the lies (for a short time anyway).

What I'd like to know now is if he is aware of her boyfriend and the tryst she is having with a guy at work (she told me about him). If I told him, he wouldn't believe me and it would push me farther away.

I know many of you would say walk away from him, but I cannot do that at this time. I want him to go to the doctor and get help because when it's good - it's great! If he were on the right medication and getting counseling, I believe we would experience less episodes. I started counseling this month with a bipolar specialist to help me through this as well. I will only take him back if he agrees to go to the doctor and get help.

Is there anyone else out there in a similar situation? I'd love to hear from you and how you get through it!

WashwithCare · 11/01/2010 22:04

Hmmm... I am hardly compounding my own pain, as she has turned it down anyway... I was just trying to put it in terms that everyone could relate to.

OP posts:
Olifin · 11/01/2010 22:05

Bonsoir, I thought you didn't like AIBU?

WashwithCare · 11/01/2010 22:08

By MollieO Mon 11-Jan-10 21:28:32
I've skimmed this thread so apologies if it has been said already.

This sentence caught my eye

"If he left me for someone else, I would assume that our marriage wasn't great, and that my husband hadn't been happy with me."

To OP why would you be to blame if your dh left you?

I can't see anything here that suggests I would be to blame if DH left me...

OP posts:
WashwithCare · 11/01/2010 22:11

By Olifin Mon 11-Jan-10 22:05:11
Bonsoir, I thought you didn't like AIBU?

Well, that wouldn't be a surprise... Bonsior seems to have reasoned arguments... it's meant to be a debating forum, but every time you put forward a debating position, loads of regular posters jump in shouting
troll, troll, troll.... and then proceed to spout a load of poorly reasoned nonsence, usually doused with expletives...

OP posts:
scottishmummy · 11/01/2010 22:17

tut tut cut&paste someone else comments is lame

do try harder

Vallhala · 11/01/2010 22:19

WWC I'm one of those who used an expletive.

If you come up with offensive ideas such as using a picture of a woman with/pretending to have breast cancer to promote b/f, you should expect to receive an equally offensive reply from someone who has sufferred the terrible disease.

I have never told anyone on here (or on any other forum) to fuck off before and I doubt very much that I'll be moved to again. That's how offensive I found your post.