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to not be able to get over my brother and SIL cutting us off

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PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 10:56

Feeling pretty devastated at the moment - I'm sory this is long but I'd really welcome your thoughts on this.

My brother and his wife have basically just cut us off. They have always been a bit funny (always have to be right, deaf to others' opinions, buying expensive presents for each other and their kids but giving crap presents to the rest of their family such as us, my mum and my brothers, we visit them regularly but they never make the effort to come to us, we've lived here 6 years and they've maybe visited 3 or 4 times) but we've just put up with it, but then this summer they were invited to ds1's 6th birthday party and were three hours late, they arrived as we were packing up (we had it in a village hall). They only live an hour away - and this is not the first time this has happened - didn't invite them last year but the year before they did the same thing, we had it at a soft play and I had paid for their kids to attend - they didn't even apologise or offer to reimburse me. They now have 4 kids including one baby so I can understand it is difficult getting out, but three hours?!? Also the time before they only had 2 kids and were 2 hours late. It was kind of a last straw so a few weeks later I told my brother how hurt I was, especially as they didn't even apologise, he just got really defensive and aggressive. Within minutes my sister-in-law was sounding off about it on Facebook. They haven't spoken to dh or I since, have deleted us both off their Facebook pages. My mum and other brother are really angry with them but have to say nothing for fear of being cut off also, mum would be devasted if cut off from her four grandchildren. Families hey. Wish I could just put it to one side and not think about them but I just can't let it go, I can't believe they have treated us like this. After Xmas we are moving abroad for a year with dh's work (of which I have sensed jealousy on their part) and it is highly unlikely that we will see them before we go. It is not fair on the kids either as my dses love playing with their cousins - you'd think they'd at least see us if only for the childrens' sake. I have continued to send birthday cards and presents which have not been returned, although no apologies either, although that is nothing new. Remains to be seen what they will do about Christmas presents.

Dh and I have often got the impression that they feel inferior to us, hence my SIL'd need to shout me down on my parenting opinions (her attitude to parenting is to put a crying baby in its room, shut the door and turn off the monitor - chills me to be honest). I did better academically than my brother and my dh has a better job, better income than him and I think they find that hard. Years back they were struggling financially and had just had a baby and we'd just got some inheritance so we bought a new car and basically just gave them our old one. At the time we thought we were doing them a favour but in hindsight I am wondering if that was unhelpful and made the gap between us wider.

I love my brother very much and despite my differences of opinion with my SIL I do care about her and my nephews/niece and it devastates me that they would shrug us off so easily.

I am wondering whether they are angry with us for having the chance to go abroad so it is convenient for them to push us aside at this time. I don't know.

All I know is that I want to be reconciled to them and simply cannot put them aside as they have done me, I am just not like that. I cannnot stand to be in discord with anybody.

We will be staying near to them for the few days before we leave the country as going to my mum's for Xmas, so we are going to tell them we will be there and would love to see them, can't see what else we can do.

Thank you for listening : )

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Songbird · 12/11/2009 11:07

Poor you, it sounds awful.

My advice? Let it go. It's their problem, and you just can't force these things. Maybe they'll realise how silly they've been and maybe not. If the former, good, you can try and get back on track; if the latter, why would you want to spend time with these people? Blood is not always thicker than water, presumably you have friends, and you have another brother. Just move on. Easier said than done, I know

madamearcati · 12/11/2009 11:13

I'm sure they'll 'come round' in a bit, let it go for now.

AgentZigzag · 12/11/2009 11:16

This isn't having a go at you, and I can really see why you feel like you do, but ultimately it is down to each person who they have contact with, and if it's parents, then who their children have contact with.

Being late for things, although it would be polite to say sorry, you don't know why they were late, perhaps they had an argument and couldn't see past that to social niceties?

It sounds like there might have been more background than you can put down in the post as to why they severed contact. Most people don't do this unless they feel they have a really good reason.

Hullygully · 12/11/2009 11:20

Send them a postcard saying, "We miss you, can't we sort this out?"

purpleduck · 12/11/2009 11:22

My brother and I fell out a few years ago and he, sadly, has not come round ..
I don't know what to say, apart from perhaps redefine the relationship to yourself.
Maybe give him a bit of time, then make an overture - something neutral like seeing each other at your mums etc.
Carry on sending his kids presents etc,

Its so hurtful, and confusing isn't it? I have gotten to the point where I will contact my brother again because I really can't believe that I will never speak to him again. Just need to get up some courage!!

My dh's sister and partner came down south (where we are) to go to Longleat -practically passed our door, and they didn't stop in. Very confusing and hurtful as we all actually do get along!!

Yep, families

PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 11:26

OK, my brother's response to me was this:

"We apologised at the time. The day everyone actually understands what it is like to moblise a large, young family I guess will never come. I said we would never make that time anyway. Criticise away, the same as Mum and [our brother] no doubt do without an inkling of how much hard work it is to get out. And for that I don't apologise, my family's welfare comes first."

They didn't apologise at the time - I would def have remembered - on the day I was upset because they didn't apologise.

He also didn't tell me they wouldn't be able to make that time. Apparently it clashed with the baby's meals was being weaned at the time.

I reminded him that my mum brought up three chidlren single-handedly after my dad left, and without a car for a long time, so she would have more than an inkling!

I think the last sentence says it all really. He puts his family first, but to the detriment of everyone else.

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Hullygully · 12/11/2009 11:28

Ah, sadly you are dealing with loons. This means you either do everything on their terms, or leave them to get on with it.

PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 11:30

I did try again a week later to "bury the hatchet" but again the response I got was:

"I said on several ocassions that we would be late as that timing is really bad for us [no he didn't] and I told Mum and [our brother]. Your comments are very hurtful as you do not seem to have any appreciation of the efforts we made to come out to see you, and I simply cannot believe you brought up Mums situation when we were kids. We are fed up of being made to feel we don't make any effort for any events we go to. I am angry, upset and hurt."

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AgentZigzag · 12/11/2009 11:31

you're criticising your brother because he put his family first? You're annoyed at him because he thought of his children rather than putting you and your children first?

PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 11:31

PS we have never ever said anything about their lateness before.

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AgentZigzag · 12/11/2009 11:32

What makes them loons Hully?

PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 11:32

What I mean is - he shows no care, respect or concern outside of his immediate family.

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PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 11:34

why should being 3 hours late with no apology be "putting his family first"?? If they had come in, explained why, very apologetic (as I would have done in same situation) I would have been OK with that. They never even phoned to tell us they were running late. I ended up phoning them.

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Morloth · 12/11/2009 11:37

Just let it go. People get to choose who they associate with and for whatever reason they have decided that they don't want to see you.

If you push it you will be completely unreasonable and toxic.

PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 11:39

Morloth - what do you mean unreasonable and toxic? sorry don't understand.

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PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 11:40

sorry got to take ds2 out - back later x

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DandyLioness · 12/11/2009 11:43

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Morloth · 12/11/2009 11:43

If you hassle them (even if you are trying to be nice) they are going to get pissed off, if someone doesn't want to see you, if you insist on doing so then you are going to become a problem and a source of stress in their lives.

It really doesn't matter why they have chosen not to see you, it is up to them whether they do or not.

prettyfly1 · 12/11/2009 11:44

TBH whilst I understand families in at war (believe me) I think yab just a bit unreasonable. Dont invite them to family things any more - you know they wont turn up - and they have behaved badly so I am not flaming you HOWEVER your comments about her parenting are immensely judgey, your comments about them being threatened by your family make you sound arrogant and tbh if I suspected one of my siblings of feeling like that about me - rightly or wrongly - I wouldnt be jumping at the chance to spend time with them. His family DO come first as do his wife and that is how it should be so I dont think you can sit in judgement of that and you dont seem to like them much, particularly his wife - whom he will always be loyal too if he is any sort of a man - so just let it go and leave them to it. Oh and on the presents front I spend far more on my kids and partner then on my family (apart from mum and dad) and will never apologise for it so I think you are wrong on that one as well.

DandyLioness · 12/11/2009 11:45

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oranges · 12/11/2009 11:45

I can kind of understand your brother - it must be hard to get four children out the house, then be met with coldness at the destination. Some people really do struggle with time keeping.

purpleduck · 12/11/2009 11:47

Agentzigzag - its not like his child had an emergency or anything - they were very late, and rude about it. Very inconsiderate.

traceybath · 12/11/2009 11:48

Agree that it sounds as though theres a lot more to this than you're saying.

I suspect they probably think you're being very unreasonable and possibly feel ganged up against by the rest of your family.

I'd just try and keep things nice - sometimes though a little distance/break from people is a good thing.

Any chance you and your brother could meet up alone?

oranges · 12/11/2009 11:52

Were they rude, r jut flustered when they arrived, then got defensive when told off? When ds was younger we were ALWAYS late to our inlaws as I just couldn't get stuff together in time and permanently exhausted by broken nights. It used to drive me nuts when we would walk in through the door and immediately be told off.

AgentZigzag · 12/11/2009 11:53

Purple, inconsiderate perhaps, but the OP sounds like she's expecting them to grovel to her, and if they don't then they somehow owe her something.