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to not be able to get over my brother and SIL cutting us off

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PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 10:56

Feeling pretty devastated at the moment - I'm sory this is long but I'd really welcome your thoughts on this.

My brother and his wife have basically just cut us off. They have always been a bit funny (always have to be right, deaf to others' opinions, buying expensive presents for each other and their kids but giving crap presents to the rest of their family such as us, my mum and my brothers, we visit them regularly but they never make the effort to come to us, we've lived here 6 years and they've maybe visited 3 or 4 times) but we've just put up with it, but then this summer they were invited to ds1's 6th birthday party and were three hours late, they arrived as we were packing up (we had it in a village hall). They only live an hour away - and this is not the first time this has happened - didn't invite them last year but the year before they did the same thing, we had it at a soft play and I had paid for their kids to attend - they didn't even apologise or offer to reimburse me. They now have 4 kids including one baby so I can understand it is difficult getting out, but three hours?!? Also the time before they only had 2 kids and were 2 hours late. It was kind of a last straw so a few weeks later I told my brother how hurt I was, especially as they didn't even apologise, he just got really defensive and aggressive. Within minutes my sister-in-law was sounding off about it on Facebook. They haven't spoken to dh or I since, have deleted us both off their Facebook pages. My mum and other brother are really angry with them but have to say nothing for fear of being cut off also, mum would be devasted if cut off from her four grandchildren. Families hey. Wish I could just put it to one side and not think about them but I just can't let it go, I can't believe they have treated us like this. After Xmas we are moving abroad for a year with dh's work (of which I have sensed jealousy on their part) and it is highly unlikely that we will see them before we go. It is not fair on the kids either as my dses love playing with their cousins - you'd think they'd at least see us if only for the childrens' sake. I have continued to send birthday cards and presents which have not been returned, although no apologies either, although that is nothing new. Remains to be seen what they will do about Christmas presents.

Dh and I have often got the impression that they feel inferior to us, hence my SIL'd need to shout me down on my parenting opinions (her attitude to parenting is to put a crying baby in its room, shut the door and turn off the monitor - chills me to be honest). I did better academically than my brother and my dh has a better job, better income than him and I think they find that hard. Years back they were struggling financially and had just had a baby and we'd just got some inheritance so we bought a new car and basically just gave them our old one. At the time we thought we were doing them a favour but in hindsight I am wondering if that was unhelpful and made the gap between us wider.

I love my brother very much and despite my differences of opinion with my SIL I do care about her and my nephews/niece and it devastates me that they would shrug us off so easily.

I am wondering whether they are angry with us for having the chance to go abroad so it is convenient for them to push us aside at this time. I don't know.

All I know is that I want to be reconciled to them and simply cannot put them aside as they have done me, I am just not like that. I cannnot stand to be in discord with anybody.

We will be staying near to them for the few days before we leave the country as going to my mum's for Xmas, so we are going to tell them we will be there and would love to see them, can't see what else we can do.

Thank you for listening : )

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PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 17:06

i do like them, i've never not liked them, they just piss me off sometimes as i'm sure i do them.

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PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 17:09

surely you'd be pissed off too agentzigzag if you made sure to tell someone not to follow satnav postcode, they ignored you, did it your own way then got lost.

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PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 17:09

their own way.

sorry - ds2 on lap.

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PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 17:10

lol hully

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wildfig · 12/11/2009 17:14

Hard to make any kind of U/NU judgement, as am sure there's loads more backstory to this, but how are they in themselves? Maybe if the pair of them are slowly going insane trying to wrangle four kids, jobs, bills and a credit crunch, while keeping up all semblance of normality to the rest of the family, they might not have much patience left over for social niceties?

Not excusing rudeness, but do you think this might be less about you, and more about them? I'd give them some space, give yourself some space, and let it slide until you're all a bit calmer.

Also, Facebook: application of the devil.

traceybath · 12/11/2009 17:15

Oh god I'd be furious, I am a stickler for punctuality.

Am sure most people would too. To be honest I don't invtite cousins to partys - just keep it to school friends.

I do love how we're all so quick to see the brother's viewpoint though - I doubt many people would be very happy at 3 children not turning up to one of their children's soft play partys.

Am now stood behind Hully going 'they were late, they were late . . .'

PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 17:17

good point wildfig. know brother is under stress as breadwinner and mortgage to pay. point taken.

facebook not best way to communicate I know. I was just being a coward and knew I would not say what I needed to say on phone, brother hates phone also anyway. trouble is once those words are typed and sent you can't erase them can you.

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Sassybeast · 12/11/2009 17:19

Maybe they'd had a screaming row whilst leaving the hous and it had taken them that long to unload the kids, stomp off, have shouting match, make up, have hug and then get all the kids BACK in the car again, whilst adding in time to get rid of tear stained eyes and reapply make up.

Not that I'm speaking from experience mind 'whistles'

AgentZigzag · 12/11/2009 17:21

Don't know about pissed off, I would perhaps say to someone not to bother with the crap satnav instructions, but I don't think I'd tell them not to use it. I'd laugh with them for getting lost after what I'd said, but I don't think I'd get pissed off with them cos they'd not done what I'd told them to do.

I'm not deliberately not trying to see your point of view OP, cos I definately see what you mean about being OK with people after they've done something you feel strongly about would give them the impression they were free to do it again.

Perhaps it's the accumulation of things that is getting to you rather than each one individually? And as you have no contact with them all you can do is think it over with no way to resolve it all.

Tryingtobeorganisedthisyear · 12/11/2009 17:26

There's definitly more to this if your brother has said "Criticise away, the same as Mum and [our brother]"

They obviously feel like they make a lot of effort that is not appreciated. It may not live up to your expectations but is perhaps what they see as good?

I'm not on anyones side here as i think you both have unresolved issues are reading the worng things into each others actions and behaviours. I think his messages sound like he;s hurt, but being deleted off facebook is wierd! After finally getting to the party, and getting lost (which always causes tension in cars) you say you ignored him He'll wonder why he bothered.....especially if he thinks he told your mum etc that they'd be there later on.

Perhaps contact him and see if you can have a good old honest chat and say that you are both mis-understanding each other and this has got out of hand, and can you move on?? You feel let down, and he sounds the same

PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 17:28

OK, agentzigzag this was our email convo about the satnav issue:

me: In case you need it for directions!
(Google map link)

him: Ah, thanks, really just need the postcode (satnav!).

me: Don't follow the postcode - it will take you to the wrong place!!! Hence the map. Forgot to say that - sorry.

him: Why will it take you to the wrong place?

me: goes to where the hall supervisor lives not the hall!

him: I got the postcode from the website, there are two postcodes, one for the hall supervisor, one for the hall...

me: well I would put the postcode into Google maps and check it is the
same as the link I sent you - just in case!

him: I'll try that!

evidently he didn't as he ended up precisely where I knew that incorrect postcode would take him.

I don't see anything controlling in that.

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PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 17:31

tryingtobeorganised - I'd love to - if he'll see me - my other brother thinks he may not want to see me and is worried I may get a less than positive reaction from him. I am worried this is all my fault, for saying something in the first place. but equally he has behaved badly imho.

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FabIsJustSoBusy · 12/11/2009 17:33

You have choices.

Apologise for all the upset as it is a means to an end.

Continue trying to make them apologise to you and accept they were wrong.

Do nothing and accept you will probably not see them again.

People can be very silly over things like this. I was going to say childish but kids usually have a spat and then are best friends the next day.

Tryingtobeorganisedthisyear · 12/11/2009 17:36

Exactly- if you think you've both beahved as badly as each other just tell him you think you may have been a bit out of order....would that open the gates for him to explain why he feels so criticised? Then allow you to say how you see things? Its so hard to see things from each others point of view i think...(him from your side too)

Its really down to whether you want to give it a go before you leave the UK. I guess you've got nothing to loose.....At worst he'll tell you to get lost, which is unfotunately where you are now ..

(I do sympathise with you as i have problems in my own family due to misunderstandings blah blah, blah)

PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 17:36

I have not continued trying to make them apologise since that conversation as clearly they are not going to admit they are wrong, my brother has always been like that anyway and my SIL much the same so don't know why I expected any other reaction really.

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Tryingtobeorganisedthisyear · 12/11/2009 17:38

Forget the apologising, party etc - you need to find out why he thinks he's always being criticised by you, your mum etc...Thats the real problemi think

PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 17:38

there's no harm in trying, tryingtobeorganised.

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crokky · 12/11/2009 17:39

PrincessElsa

If you decide to apologise to your brother, I think you should acknowledge that your statement about your mum bringing up 3 children was pretty thoughtless. Everyone's particular mix of circumstances are different. Consdier how offensive this statement would be from one woman to another "I breastfed for a year, why didn't you? I don't think you love your baby as much as I love mine and you didn't try hard enough". It shows a similar failure to consider all the circumstances to the statement you made about your mum dealing with 3 kids singlehandedly but saying they can't deal with 4.

You do not know all the circumstances that your brother and SIL are facing and from what you have written, I doubt either your brother or your SIL would discuss their problems with you.

My PIL and BIL have no idea that my DS has an ASD. No idea whatsoever and I don't plan on telling them because their feelings on the matter would be pretty unhelpful. Similarly, I would not tell them about the (unrelated) anxiety I have. Is your family like this? Your SIL probably dreads seeing you and grits her teeth to get through seeing her inlaws who she believes to be judgemental, critical and unhelpful.

As for leaving the baby crying - that is not what I would do, but I would consider whether the woman was at the end of her tether to consider it. I doubt she was having a giggle in the next room. Whatever the reasons behind it, you need to not discuss this sort of thing with her and just let her get on with it. It would be different if she asks for your help.

Saying that his family's welfare comes first makes him an excellent husband and father. He has been brave enough to stand up to you on his wife's behalf as you are clearly upsetting her. If his wife posted on MN asking how to tackle ILs who were critical and pulling her up over her parenting, MN would say - "get your husband to stand up to his family for you".

I don't want this post to come across as though you are nasty and always in the wrong as I don't think that's the case. It was VERY rude to arrive so late. Try giving the benefit of the doubt, however - perhaps one was driving, the other trying to pacify screaming kids.

Also, I would advise you not to team up with your mother and gang up on your brother - your SIL may feel that she has a pair of harpies for and MIL and a SIL.

Regarding the gift of a car - I think you should feel thankful that you were in a position to give it to them, rather than expecting eternal gratitude.

PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 17:40

ok thanks tryingtobeorganised. any more?

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Tryingtobeorganisedthisyear · 12/11/2009 17:41

He could also be a prize numpty and deserve all the criticism he gets but at least you might find out whats on his mind to enable to move on with your relationship with him.

We have a major numpty on our side and just turn a blind eye....

GhoulsAreLoud · 12/11/2009 17:43

Got halfway through and my thoughts are as follows:

  1. Brother should have told you and not your Mother if they were planning to be late.

  2. Three hours late is very late, it doesn't take a baby three hours to eat their lunch, even if they have just started weaning. I think a "we're running later than we thought" phone call was in order.

  3. A tin of Roses is a perfectly acceptable xmas present to give an adult sibling, IMO.

4)I'm not sure you like your SIL as much as you say you do. You say something she does "chills you", which isn't the kind of thing I would say about someone I like.

Tortington · 12/11/2009 17:44

i am sure that this is six of one and half a doxen of the othr and we Mnetters can nit pick over the minute detail you have furnished us with.

you however op, have taken on critisism with good grace. I did think you sounded up your own arse in the op, but somone else said it and you have taken this on board and you are going to self analyse.

Yes brother v. rude re being late.

and so, in your situation, i think if i was prety confident i ws in the right, i would take a 'fuck him' stance.

2rebecca · 12/11/2009 17:49

I must admit it seems very early to be talking about your brother cutting you off when it's only been a month since you last spoke. i often go a month without contacting my sibs, it just means we are busy. I presumed he hadn't contacted you for well over 6 months and had ignored phone calls etc.
I'd give him a phone, or send an early chatty xmas card at the beginning of next month.
When my eldest was small he was rubbish at getting off to sleep and often settled quickest if just put in room and left when over tired and crying, rather than fussed over and cuddled, so i don't think your sister is a bad parent, just parents differently from you, but you did sound very judgemental about her parenting choices.

GhoulsAreLoud · 12/11/2009 17:49
  1. You IGNORED him when they arrived?

That it worse than being late IMO, because that was intentional on your part.

At what point did you deign to speak to him?

PrincessElsa · 12/11/2009 17:49

right crokky - on the subject of my SIL - I get no impression that she dreads our visits, quite the opposite in fact, if I had upset her in any way she would not hesitate to tell me as she is that kind of a person, and it's not like I go around criticising her parenting - quite the opposite in fact, she used to try and pick fights with me about it as she disagreed with my parenting style so much, but I refused to get pulled into it and in the end we had to not speak about it.

My mum has not said anything to my brother and has not been treating him any differently. she is very kind and forgiving.

I only mentioned the car issue as I was trying to think through why my brother may have reacted the way he did. we have not mentioned it to them since we gave it to them and certainly do not expect eternal gratitude.

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