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To expect someone not to let their three dogs jump all over me

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8oreighty · 23/09/2009 11:51

and "playbite" my arms?!!! I was on a rural path...fair enough, but I think people should control their dogs...I got muddy footprints all over me. It is also kind of scary if you don't know the dogs. There were two women with 3 dogs, not even an apology. Even when I said angrily, "please can you get your dogs off me". That's just not on - is it?

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SardineQueen · 24/09/2009 22:40

I would never dare kick a dog or anything like that, I;m too scared and kind of freeze. Presumably that is why they like to bite me

ElieRM · 24/09/2009 22:41

Actually bonkers, sunshine.
You are not being reasonable so I'll stop attempting to reason with you.
I'll jsut quickly reiterate.
No dog's life is worth more than a child's life.
If a dog attacks my child I will do whatever I have to stop it.
That does not mean I would attack a dog for no reason, or for simply jumping on me.

KerryMumbles · 24/09/2009 22:43

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opinionatedmother · 24/09/2009 22:45

jumping up does not mean biting.
mouthing is not biting either - though can be scary.

if they do this, it is best not to flap at them, but remain calm and ignore them until they go.

if a dog starts biting hitting it is not a good idea - get the owner to get it. (if necessary by grabbing tail and collar to remove it and holding it until on a lead and calmed)

the reactions of some of you would only make the problem worse.

thesunshinesbrightly · 24/09/2009 22:46

i dont really care how big you are, remember the bigger you are the harder you fall.

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Sneezecake · 24/09/2009 22:47

can i just say aggression feeds aggresion, therefore if you were to lash out at an aggressive dog you'd be likely to bake the situation worse. best thing to do is to stay calm.

Sneezecake · 24/09/2009 22:49

if you have educated your child to stay away from strange dog you should have no problems

ceres · 24/09/2009 22:49

i haven't seen anyone say that it is reasonable for dogs to jump at anyone.

i have a dog. he would not jump at anyone when out because he is always under control. and i do let him off lead - he wouldn't get enough exercise otherwise. if there are other people or dogs around then i put him on a lead.

if somebody comes to my house and they don't like/are scared of dogs then i put the dog in another room. this is only doable for a short space of time - enough time to have a dinner party but not practical for people to stay over. so if people don't like/are scared of dogs they don't stay in my house, but they are still welcome to visit.

our dog is part of our family. we treat him as a family member - he has rights and responsibilities like any other member of the family (although obviously not the same rights and responsibilities). he has the right to be well looked after, loved and protected. he has a responsibility to behave appropriately.........which in fact is our responsibility as we have the responsibility to train him and keep him under control.

incidentally - our dog sleeps wherever he chooses, he has his own bed but often ends up in ours, he is allowed on the sofas and we all give him lots of kisses and cuddles. i really don't understand why it should concern anyone else where our dog sleeps.

thesunshinesbrightly · 24/09/2009 22:49

yes child i understand, like i have said but you will not kill my dog stone dead for coming over to you.

KerryMumbles · 24/09/2009 22:51

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FimboFortunaFeet · 24/09/2009 22:52

Kerry I love you

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thesunshinesbrightly · 24/09/2009 22:54

yes i think maybe i am getting carried away and saying things i dont mean because someone has suggested cruel things about dogs that i will not stand.

and it's not actually my dog and she has never behaved in such a way, she is trained,recall, doesnt bark or growl, jump up,lick strangers etc..

she's a golden dog mwahh

time for walkies

pooexplosions · 24/09/2009 22:54

If a dog is biting my child I should call the owner to get it, grab a collar until it is calmed?
Are you insane?
"Oh I say, would you mind terribly getting your dog off my offspring, I'll hold its collar until it calms down. No don't worry, thats just arterial blood, my child probably won't die, lets look after your dog first. Yes, you're quite right, the child being afraid of dogs caused it in the first place, our fault obviously. Never been agressive before you say, of course, definitely not your fault"

Barking the lot of you. Not quite sure if its the dogs or the owners that need to be muzzled.

thesunshinesbrightly · 24/09/2009 22:56

Kerry carry on ranting

it
will
kill
you
first

good luck hehehehehe

Stayingsunnygirl · 24/09/2009 22:59

Pooexplosions - surely if you have hold of the dog's collar and have dragged it off your child, you are more in control of the situation than if you have kicked the dog - which is still free and now is crosser than it was. I don't think that the person who suggested grabbing the dog by the tail and collar is suggesting this for the dog's benefit at all - but because it would mean you could hold the dog away from your child.

Seems a sensible thought to me.

EvilEdnasTwinSister · 24/09/2009 23:06

Sneezecake that is rubbish.

My DD was attacked in our garden by a neighbours dog that jumped up at her with such force she was knocked down and then refused to get off until its idiot owner came sauntering over, by which time my DD was hysterical, and I was livid, and trying to get the dog off her. (Apparently I was supposed to just stand there and do nothing to help her??)

So according to you this was my fault for not teaching her to keep away from strange dogs???? Even in her own garden??

And its owner was all: "Oh so sorry, my DH is always saying I should keep him on a leash". Words fail me.

Sneezecake · 24/09/2009 23:08

op is an adult for a start, so irrelavant

in most cases i have heard about where children are bitten by dogs, the child approaches the dog. and if it is young children we are talking about why is the parent not watching them?

pooexplosions · 24/09/2009 23:08

It might be a sensible thought, but I challenge you to be that sensible if a dog is ripping the face off your kid. I wouldn't be, but then I'm just a nasty dog hater, so what do I know?

It might be sensible, but this is just insulting Your dog, you caused the problem, my reaction would be quite expected and appropriate to most people.

Sneezecake · 24/09/2009 23:10

as i say in most cases there are ofcourse exceptions to the rule

LittleMissMummy · 24/09/2009 23:11

sneezecake, are you saying that just because a parent may take their eye off their child for a minute, that if that child is bitten by a dog, it is the parent who is to blame? all because the child approaches the dog? (your words)

Stayingsunnygirl · 24/09/2009 23:15

Wouldn't it be a gut reaction to seize the dog and drag it off the child? Just as much as it might be a gut reaction to kick/hit a dog that was attacking a child. I'm not suggesting wishy-washy fannying around, but decisive action to ensure the child's safety. And I'm honestly not sure why saying that means I'm calling you a hysterical dog hater or insulting you all.

I've done my best to be reasonable and see both sides on this thread, but feel I am being branded as a dog-loving nutter who'd happily watch a dog eat the face off a child.

valhala · 24/09/2009 23:16

Goodness, I left this thread to do some work, come back and a riot seems to have broken out!

A few thoughts FWIW:

Sunshine has repeatedly said that she was answering the OPs question and responding to the early responses which advocated extreme violence towards a dog for JUMPING UP, not for being aggressive. She finds this deplorable in the context given and so do I.

Like Sunshine I have a dog who I would be willing to stake my home on not biting, even if I was at threat. I also have a dog who would defend me and who, having been abused for 2 years by a human, can be protective. I know the type he doesn't like and I know him, having owned him for over 6 years. I take all reasonable steps to ensure that he never gets a chance to express his fear and both my dogs have excellent recall and are on lead whenever it is appropriate. I take no risks, as I am sure Sunshine doesn't, as I would hate to have an injury to anyone or my dog's death on my conscience.

IME people are the main factor in the extremes mentioned here, whether it is bad owners, kids approaching strange dogs, kids allowed to ill treat a dog, a result of a dog being abused by a human, ignorance or, dare I say it, humans overreacting. And yes, that latter happens, I have seen it.

I THINK, although I may be wrong, that there are some cultural differences here and at least one poster has experience of another country's laws and outlook towards dogs. That makes a difference to the way they will view things perhaps.

I'd be interested to know, for my own research, why LittleMissMummy is wary of her sisters SBT... please may I ask if thats because he is a Staffie or do you feel that way about all dogs?

In 44 years I have only once been bitten by a dog and this because I hauled her out of a river, injured, and went to inspect the injury - my problem, not an issue. Perhaps I am just lucky. BUT... I may have had more contact with dogs than most here as I am involved in rescue. I have come across aggressive dogs in my work, but they are in a small minority. With one exception, whose history is somewhat mysterious, the reason for the aggression is either abuse or lack of socialisation. Again, not the dog's fault although I appreciate that this is no comfort to those with bad experiences.

I wonder if anyone on here who is advocating the kind of violence described by some posters has had the same amount of contact with and involvement with dogs as me? I don't claim to be an expert, but I do claim considerable experience with dogs from all walks of life, as it were.

Finally, if you've got this far without falling asleep, I must say that Sunshine has answered, as far as I can see, all the questions and points made to her and although she is clearly in disagreement with some posters and must be getting as frustrated as they are over the issue,, she has come in for not just healthy discussion, which she deals with very well, but, IMHO, some very aggressive and abusive comments. You may not agree with Sunshine or I, we do not agree with some of you and are doubtless both disgusted and disappointed with the references to using unnecessary violence towards a dog, but to eff AT her, (as opposed to doing so in conversation, I can't moan at that as I have a great turn of phrase myself), when she has not done so to others is uncalled-for. I'm not being precious, I just think that she has managed to put her point over without swearing at people and so think that it is unreasonable that she should be sworn at (had she sworn at others, then I'd say go for it!).

And no, I have no idea who Sunshine is, we have never met or corresponded... I just wish we had as she seems like a responsible and caring owner to me. I'm sure that we both wish, as you all do, that ALL owners were the same.