To expect someone not to let their three dogs jump all over me

[8oreighty]

and "playbite" my arms?!!! I was on a rural path...fair enough, but I think people should control their dogs...I got muddy footprints all over me. It is also kind of scary if you don't know the dogs. There were two women with 3 dogs, not even an apology. Even when I said angrily, "please can you get your dogs off me". That's just not on - is it?

kerry - why do you think that would make me happy? where on earth have I hinted that a scared child, scared parent and an injured dog would make me happy? and why do you have to swear so much? LittleMissMummy - why do you think I was suggesting it would stop people protecting their kids from a threatening dog? I was refering to KM's own scenario in which the dog is "jumping" and she "kicks the shite out of it" . And I was talking about where I strongly suspect the law stands (because it had cropped up on the thread) not where I stand.

In answer to the OP - no definitely not on. and I think everyone on the thread agrees.

its just dog owners v non dog owners.

dogs are far more intelligent than people, they pick up on fear, so what are you teaching your children with all the hate inside you towards animals.

sad world we live in.

ElieRM said pretty much the same thing as me: "If you could reasonably justify your actions, you would ahve nothing to fear."

Do you have animals kerry??

No its about good versus bad manners ,it is very bad manners to allow your dog to harass anyone else ,end of . To put things in perspective though ,more children are killed /injured by humans every year than dogs . Also (i know im going to get flamed ,but it is the standard response on mn when anyone questions a childs behaviour ) would it make any difference if the dog has SN? am now running for cover

To be honest i'd be more worried about you attacking - more than my dog.

A dog needs a lot of exercise most are not just satisfied with lead walking and need a good run, in these cases i belive the dog must be trusted off the lead, a decision only the owner can make

'so what are you teaching your children with all the hate inside you towards animals.'

no one says they hate animals, we are talking about natural motherly instincts kicking in if something is threatening your children.

KerryMumbles is right - you can't say 100% that you know what animals are thinking and therefore that they would never hurt someone.

I don't hate animals. I don't think anoy of those surrently posting have said they do either.
What we are saying is we don't want potentially dangerous animals jumping up on us or our kids. If our kids were threatened we would react.
I will not teach my daughter to fear dogs, or strangers, or cars or dark streets.
I wil lteach her to behave with due caution in all situations.
IMHO, due caution regarding dogs is not to approach them and to move away sharpish is one moves towards her.
I wouldn't expect her to automatically kick an animal for coming within five feet of her, just as I wouldn't expect her to knee a passing bloke in the balls because he might be a paedophile.
Having said that, I will warn her dogs are not predictable and could potentially bite. That does not mean I hate animals. Iw ould kick an animal that threatened my child, and I would kick a person that threatened my child, I don't hate animals or people, but I do love my daughter very, very much.

keeping a dog on a lead (all the time, which is what you seem to be saying kerry) would make most dogs unhappy - underexercised and under-stimulated. and undertrained. and therefore more likely to be aggressive.

frankly you'd be an ijit of the highest order to offer physical attack to a dog jumping up.

fold your arms, turn away. Ask the owner to get their dog.

i hate dogs jumping at me, but it never happens (and i walk every day) and if they did that would be the correct reaction.

really the tone of some people on this thread is nasty in the extreme. "kicking the shite out of it" !! how lovely. what a great example to your children.

owners can be despicable, negligent etc. Dogs are just dogs.

fwiw, dogs have been put down for small bites to people intruding on their owners proprty (ie, thieves) the law in no way favours the dog - quite the reverse.

if i was a breeder i would stop people like you having dogs,you have thoughts about killing a dog stone dead and kicking the shit out of it.

you cant keep a dog on a lead it's called freedom and if you did, u obviously cannot control your dog so therefore you shouldnt be allowed to keep one.

TBH if a strange dog came upto my child my first instinct would be to pick him up out of harms way then deal with the dog, should the situation escalate

sunshine you are barking mad. Absolutely barking.

KM I hope you teach your child to respect aminals and not to go teasing them, as that is when the majority of dog attacks happen

So, sunshine, if a dog jumped up on Kerry's DS and would not get off, and she killed the dog she would be wrong? Even though the outcome for her son could be fatal (from what I understand) if the dog were left?
This means the dog is more important than her son. Which I will never buy. I appreciate that may be extreme, but I would kill a dog before it killed my child.
I would actually kill a dog before it killed someone else's child.
It's all about perspective.
If you think someone that would kill a dog to protect a child from death or serious injury shouldn't own a dog then fine. But I personally don't think someone who would allow a child to die or become seriously injured for the sake of preserving a dog, or preventing ti from being injured should have children.

As I said most do owners are barking mad, My own mother is a prime example of this.

Dogs are inferior to humans. They are not child substitutes etc, they are DOGS, only dogs.

this thread is actually pretty bizarre. I actually think that most of us here agree:

dogs jumping up is not a good thing

should our children be in danger we would use all necessary means to get rid of the danger. and if we had to that would include violence against an animal

children are more important than dogs

violence is, on the whole, a bad thing

where we possibly disagree is our perception of when our children are in danger. and, possibly, how far we would have to go to remove the danger. both these things are hugely subjective and owuld be different in every situation. you just can't plan for them.