To expect someone not to let their three dogs jump all over me

[8oreighty]

and "playbite" my arms?!!! I was on a rural path...fair enough, but I think people should control their dogs...I got muddy footprints all over me. It is also kind of scary if you don't know the dogs. There were two women with 3 dogs, not even an apology. Even when I said angrily, "please can you get your dogs off me". That's just not on - is it?

Poor you, 8oreighty. Take one of these next time. Nothing like a good bit of barbecued dog to give an owner pause for thought.

Nice FimboFortuna! And of course the owner knew that the DC were scared of dogs didn't she? Not only is she a good owner but a mind reader too!

To be fair to the silly owner, a pup, even a Rott, is VERY ulikely to deliberately harm a child. However he could knock one over or MAKE them scared of dogs when they weren't previouly. And again, all the owners damn fault.

To do this as a pup is one thing but if the owner allows it to continue one day it could be more serious and a person could get hurt and the dog PTS as a result. My own dogs are far from perfect but I am aware of their capabilities, strength and temperements and act accordingly. I am forever telling kids that they should ask first and not just stroke my boys as they walk past (here the damn parents need training) as they shouldn't just assume that because my dogs are on a lead and sometimes are joined by my own children that they will be as friendly to others.

Not least because one of my dogs was abused as a youngster and does take exception to some individuals I have ensured that their recall is very good indeed (even if they have other faults like hogging my bed!) and I muzzle the once-abused dog if I leave him outside a shop. I also never take him shopping in my small town unless I am with my elder daughter who stays with him. I would be devastated if he hurt anyone, for their sake and because I know its one quick way of having him PTS under the Dangerous Dogs Act.

I hope that your DS and his friend haven't been put off by their experience and that the damn owner of the pup learns this lesson before its too late.

promoting cruelty to animals so clever that is

Yip she did. I had to restrain myself from shouting obscenities at her.

Aren't puppies more liable to nip though?

Ds and his friends are scared of all dogs now even if they come close and are on a lead. Next door neighbour has been working on them with her dogs which is fine because they now know them but they are still scared of others.

sunshine, are you referring to my post? If so, ROFLROFLROFLROFL!

If not, fair enough.

i blame the children, when my pup was little she was a right little nipper and i was forever telling them not to stroke the dog because she bites, but of course they did- the kids looked at my horrifed at me.

children dont listen do they need more training some

i dont need reminding why i like animals more than people.

no the other one on the first page, yours is just a dream.

Any encounters I have had with dogs off their leads jumping up etc, the people all seem to have the same mentality though. As someone else said the "oh he/she will not touch them". That will be why the mutt is jumping all over me then. I have had this happen a few times to me and never ever yet have I had an apology.

This thread will just erupt into the usual dog v non dog people.

TRAIN YOUR DOG NOT TO JUMP UP, LICK OR COME CHARGING TOWARDS PEOPLE.

Okay, fair dinkum!

I was nipped by a dog a few months ago. Apparently it was my fault for having a 'flappy' coat on

The dog lunged at me as I walked past & I felt a pain at the top of my thigh, but because there was no hole in my jeans I just assumed it had nipped me and just pinched the skin. I screeched 'owww!' and the owner just said, 'Oh sorry, she was jumping up at the flap of your jacket'

Bloody dog shouldn't be jumping up at ANYTHING on me, jacket or otherwise. And when I got home & took my jeans off, flipping dog had broken the skin & I had a massive bruise all around it.

I don't blame the dog though, it was obviously young & playful. Owner should have had it on a tighter lead. Or better trained. Or both.

re post

i blame the children, when my pup was little she was a right little nipper, i was forever telling kids not to stroke her because she bites, but of course they did - the kids looked at me horrifed.
children dont listen, do they need more training?

sunshine, who do you value more your kids or your dog

i dont agree with dogs jumping or nipping etc... but i dont agree with hurting dogs either.

it is the owners fault for not training the dog so therefore should be on a leed.

The problem is the owner not the dog.

hmm hard question fimbo

have to think about that......

Don't try to hard, as we have already guessed.

*too

well my kids are not cruel to animals so they are on par.

wonder where kids get their sick minds, the ones that abuse animals??

let me think....

Thesunshinesbrightly I can't agree more!

A pup WILL jump up/lick and "mouth". It's what they do, the same as babies cry and toddlers stick KitKats in the video player! Mouthing is NOT biting - it is a natural instinct used in play and something which a pup grows out of.

I work in rescue and see far more dogs which have been abused by people than those who are abusive towards people... and of those which are stroppy with humans it is usually because they have been taught to fear and that an aggressive reaction gets the desired response (i.e. the human moving away pdq) because they have been abused in the past.

There is a huge difference between dogs jumping and covering the OP in mud, as undesirable as that is and as unacceptable as it would be for my dogs to do so, although I wouldn't give a hoot if a dog did it to me, and a dog being aggressive and there is NO call for the crass, unreasonable and plain evil suggestions that dogs should be hurt.

Dogs are like kids, they learn by example and experience. If a kid gets into trouble in the sea he is likely to be fearful of water, likewise if a dog is abused by man he will fear man. Then you have a problem, but is it the dog's fault????

My Grandads dog once sniffed at the legs of a black man on a motorbike. The man kicked at him and for 17 years that dog hated black men although he would never have been aggressive towards them. Why? Not because he was taught to, but because he had had a bad experience.

Yes, yes, yes, train dogs, I agree. But also accept that in the early stages they will act as nature intends them to and equally teach children to respect them and to behave responsibly. I repeat... I am heartily SICK of tellig other peoples DC that it is dangerous to stroke ANY dog without the owners permission. My own kids, brought up with dogs and loving them, were taught to "Say hello to doggie" from a distance, by waving at him until/unless the owner said it was ok for them to approach him. Daft, yes, but responsible? Certainly.

yes valhala, a rottie nearly knocked me over yesterday full of slobber she was i dont have a problem with it either.

i love dogs and my kids do too, but other children just tend to not listen, thats why my pup nipped them, i think parents need to teach all children to respect dogs and the owner when they say "dont touch he/she bites"

but sadly this is not the case and the dog gets the blame.

I don't care who's fault it is, if a snarling dog comes anywhere near my dc, it will get a boot up the jacksie. Beside my incident recently as detailed above, my dd was chased by another rottie where we live last year, I had to make the decision as to whether to try and help her where at best it would get her ankle/leg or try to protect ds who was on his bike and at face height with it. I was scared beyond belief. I truly hope Sunshine and Valhala you are never put in that position but then just maybe you might have a little empathy.

Goodnight.

I am put in that position in my capacity as a dog rescuer and yet I still know that the dog himself is not to blame.

I hope that anyone who has had a bad experience with dogs will not be put off by dogs in the same way that I hope that all women who have experienced DV will not be deterred from having the joy of a happy and loving relationship and I wish you and yours far more positive and rewarding encounters with dogs in the future Flimbo.

ITS all very well to say that the children need to be taught better ....

My ds was bitten age 4 by a dog who ran up, totally unprovoked, out of nowhere, and bit him on the shoulder at the bottom of a slide in a playpark clearly labelled No Dogs Allowed. It was winter - his heavy coat, jumper, shirt and vest were ripped through and he needed stitches.

Funny enough, today both him and his older sister, who was right behind him, are terrified of dogs!!! Luckily, younger sister was too little to remember.

So whenever a dog owner says to me "oh your children should learn not to be afraid" I get very angry. We're very lucky that the dog in question (who was put down not long afterwards afterwards when it attacked another child!!!, and just as well, in my opinion!) did not rip at my son's face.

This is not justifiable behaviour, from a dog of any age, or the owner.

You want to come round to mine and explain to my dog-phobic son that "puppies mouth sometimes, its not the same as biting!"

I always told my children not to fuss round dogs, to be nice but not approach etc. Now, I don't know what to say!

And valhala, I am totally put off dogs. I will not have one in the house. its not worth the weeks of nightmares and sleeplessness that follows for my son.

I would not be cruel to an animal, but no dog comes in my house. I value my children too much for that. Cos when the dog owner arrived as I was mopping up blood from my son, the response was "oh it couldn't have been my dof, he doesn't do that!".

So sorry, but I don't believe anyone who says you can ever, in any circumstances, trust a dog round children. Any dog.