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to not understand why so many poor people... PART 2

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nybom · 10/08/2009 11:59

As things have calmed down a little now, despite DH getting involved , I will try and explain once more what I meant to express by OP.

It boils down to:

I have noticed that in this society a lot of money is spent unwisely/for luxuries and increasingly so. This does indeed occur, as many of you have pointed out, regardless of level of income, throughout the social stratum. What I don't understand is, how the very poor people spend/are able to spend money on luxuries whilst compromising on the basic requirements (such as nutritious food for their children). The examples I mentioned were from my circle of friends, not generalisations.

I was bringing up examples from poor people because if a wealthy person fritters his income away for luxuries it doesn?t affect basic requirements such as food, (at least I have never ever come across anybody), however if you don't have any money to spend, it does.

Before you get enraged, I'm not addressing poor people as a whole, I don?t mean disabled people or people with poor health (mental or physical), nor people made redundant, nor women (or men) left by their partners, or any one else who unexpectedly and by now fault of his or her own has got him- or herself into that situation. Neither do I mean poor people who indulge themselves with their own saved money or money given to them by someone else.

I don't think it is fair that MNs stereotype "the rich", and have a go at them. But how dare anyone say anything negative about "the poor". That is hypocritical.

I only listed how I spend my money to demonstrate that it can be done, not to say how ?great? I am. If I can do it anybody can.

Please don?t make any assumptions what I do or not do in RL to actively help make things better and support people in need...
And I have a great life, thank you, and not a boring one, either. But curiosity is human nature (just look at the topics of women?s magazines, don?t any of you buy those?), and if you walk through life with open eyes, you just notices things. Also, my academic background is in sociology, so I have a genuine interest in wanting to understand why people do what they do. No finger pointing or accusing intended.

Finally, I?d like to respond to some specific points which have been repeatedly been raised:

RE car engine: it is an absolute myth that it is cheaper to leave the engine on rather than turn it off and on again a short while later (ask any car mechanic). In some countries you risk a fine if you don?t turn your engine off at (certain) traffic lights/road works! They?re not doing that for the sake of it. It?s just unnecessary pollution and a waist of money! It is not a matter of ?treating yourself? if the husband waits in the car with running engine and the wife goes shopping in a supermarket (and it is not extremely cold or hot (aircon))! It?s just stupid. I don?t imply you should turn your engine off at stop and go traffic jams, but those where you come to a standstill, where after 2 or 3 minutes of nothing happening it would be wise to turn the engine off (even if you had to turn it on again in 1 minute it would save money). Same with ?popping in? at shops/dropping friend of etc...

RE kids parties: there?s nothing wrong with kids parties per se! Of course it's nice to create something fun for them. But why have branded accessories right down to the bags the kids take home? Again, extra expenditures and extra waste. A nice party isn?t made nice by spending loads! A (simple) selfmade cake (not one of those branded one with loads of artificial colouring, ugh), and a couple of party games is all the children need to be really really HAPPY. The bags are thrown away, as are most of the contents, it is cheeper and easier to use kitchen towel or plastic bags for sandwhiches plus you can choose what you put in the bags.

RE cut fruit: It is still absolutely beyond me why you would spend twice as much money (or more) for precut fruit (not tins!) if you could easily cut it yourself, particulary if you are poor and only have a 5 pound shopping budget.

The UK has become a very materialistic society (but that is a different topic), maybe I just recognise it more as I?m from a different cultural background.

OP posts:
ElieRM · 12/08/2009 13:38

JemL- EXACTLY. But, you see, she won't respond to that because it's a sensible point.

clemette · 12/08/2009 13:41

I think nybom has made some MN friends for life .

ElieRM · 12/08/2009 13:44

bet she'll reappear under a different guise

Portofino · 12/08/2009 13:45

To quote OP "I'm not addressing poor people as a whole, I don?t mean disabled people or people with poor health (mental or physical), nor people made redundant, nor women (or men) left by their partners, or any one else who unexpectedly and by now fault of his or her own has got him- or herself into that situation. Neither do I mean poor people who indulge themselves with their own saved money or money given to them by someone else."

I want to know who Nybom IS addressing here? Is there a subsection where it is all their own fault if they are poor?

Stayingsunnygirl · 12/08/2009 13:46

A computer-literate hamster - that I'd like to see. Though not sure how knowlegable a hamster would be on formula feeding - I assume that they all breastfeed.

Awaits flaming by all the mumsnet ff-ing hamsters...

ElieRM · 12/08/2009 13:47

Also, benefits ARE 'money given to you by someone else.' so are loans and credit cards, after a fashion.

mynobshamster · 12/08/2009 13:51

don't worry she'll be back soon, she's just off to get my fruit. Pre-cut.

scattykatty · 12/08/2009 13:57

I love some pre cut pineapple right now... thank God my DH and I are only a little bit poor

Longtalljosie · 12/08/2009 13:58

Do you WORK though hamster? I think not. Some other hamsters have told me all you do is sleep all day and gnaw the bars of your cage. I'm not going to tell you which ones though, or tell you anything about them.

You could also generate your own electricity on that wheel if you wanted to. And what gives you the right to fruit anyway? You could manage on hamster mix quite happily

ElieRM · 12/08/2009 14:01

OBVIOUSLY thats only what the hamsters i know do. i'd be quite happy to make gneralisations about all hamsters, but if i'm presented with any contradictory evidense i'll claim is was only talking about a specific group of undeserving hamsters all along.

UndomesticHousewife · 12/08/2009 14:05

Blimey £60K for a job in social security?
Is your hubby an MP or minister for DWP?
He certainly doesn't work down the job centre!

mynobshamster · 12/08/2009 14:06

yeah but - no but. I'm like a hamster from another planet but I'm not telling you which one and the hamsters on our planet invented gravity.

or was it gravy?

curiositykilled · 12/08/2009 14:07

lol, glad to see the humour has returned!

mynobshamster · 12/08/2009 14:10

Curiositykilled - you think there's something funny about hamsters then? You a hamsterist?

curiositykilled · 12/08/2009 14:15

hamster - I dislike most things about hamsters, particularly the way they, bite, wee on you and die all the time... What kind of pathetic creature dies from something called 'wet tail disease'?

mynobshamster · 12/08/2009 14:17

you get your tail wet and see how you like it but you're probably thinking of British hamsters and not the hamsters where I come from in LaLa Land

Portofino · 12/08/2009 14:18

And they sleep all day then keeep you awake at night running on the bloody wheel. The cat ate ours.

ElieRM · 12/08/2009 14:19

what exactly are the symptoms of wet tail disese? is it literally having a wet tail? and then expiring?
if nybom comes back, she will tell us off for being silly and childish and not taking the thread aerioualy like she did before.

mynobshamster · 12/08/2009 14:22

now you're upsetting me because cats are an emotive subject for me. Talking about wet tails and cats - I'll be okay tho cos got fed with a special thing that only really clever people know about. Clever rich people.

curiositykilled · 12/08/2009 14:23

you are from la la land then hamster? What kind of SSS system do you have in la la land?

Stayingsunnygirl · 12/08/2009 14:25

And I'm going to eat leftovers for lunch so that I can have coffee icecream and chocolate sprinkles for pudding.

Actually - going back to your earlier question, curiositykilled, Asda's organic coffee icecream is certainly in my top ten yummiest puddings.

And mynobshamster - you had better be very careful not to leave any little hamster droppings in the keyboard, or nybom won't be able to post us any more of her angry and pointless ramblings words of wisdom.

everythingistaken · 12/08/2009 14:27

team hamster all the way! poor little creatures always looked down on

curiositykilled · 12/08/2009 14:29
nybom · 12/08/2009 14:29

how can anyone follow this "conversation" if you spam this thread with shite? if you're worried about chronic illnesses through FF (which i'm slowly but surely doubting) then stop fucking about!

as to why i started the thread - this is because my friends don't know why they do it. social theory doesn't give any answers either (allthough there are studies that demonstrate that many poor people rather spend their money luxuries than on basic requirements, but shhh, keep it secret). as to why they do it, that's a field of psychology.

i'd rather have friends in RL rather than imaginary friends on MN.

OP posts:
curiositykilled · 12/08/2009 14:31

elie - wet tail disease

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