To be absolutely steaming about the fact that people think unnecessary genital mutilation is OK?

[Gunnerbean]

I've been having a debate about this on another site and am staggered by the amount of people who are quite blase about it and can't get worked up about it and seem to think it's perfectly OK, and even perfectly acceptable!!

FFS if you smack a child on the street you risk arrest for assault or abuse yet people are allowed to unnecssarily ritually circumscise male babies without anaesthetic? It beggars belief that this has a place in a so-called enlightened civilised society and can be legal.

I have literally got steam coming out of my ears, some of the exchanges I've had have made my heart literally pound with anger and I think my feelings on this issue might actually make me able to understand how strongly those animal activists feel!!!

I think I need to have a lie down...

Who's winning?

Hands up who even knows who the 'other one' is?

I hear you LittleBella, that's you crossed off the arguing with list. NEXT!!!

Oh sorry, you're not calling me thick or a bitch.

I think I'd better get off this thread, I'm confused and confusing aren't I?

To make it clear - I wasn't insinuating anything. I think that allowing your children to have unnecessary harm done to them is not something that I would think that a good parent would do. Its up to you whether or not you agree with this.

as I said right at the start - get over it. What harm is done??

(oh and just to keep up the passive agressive thing and the provoking a reaction - herbeatitudelittlebella - yes she did call you a bitch, more than once I think?)

To make it clear - I wasn't insinuating anything. I think that allowing your children to have unnecessary harm done to them is not something that I would think that a good parent would do. Its up to you whether or not you agree with this.

as I said right at the start - get over it. What harm is done??

(oh and just to keep up the passive agressive thing and the provoking a reaction - herbeatitudelittlebella - yes she did call you a bitch, more than once I think?)

Shit stirrer!!!!!

I'm winning, but my fingers are killin!

who me???? lol

Can we just agree that we are all thick bitches?? Otherwise I won't be able to leave this thread.

you're winning?? how?? By swearing the most? By getting the angriest?

To be honest I didn't think there was any competition.

I think junglist is definitely winning the "fastest from zero to sweary-shouty-aggression" competition.

But I never called anyone a bad parent which is worse than swearing. In my NOT humble opinion.

I can do back handers too!!!

I thank-you.

But I honestly can't see any back handed insults? I would hope that any insults I make are up front?

So to summarise, I'm a good parent and everyone who disagrees is a fick bitch. OK?

lal123, that's because junglist seems to be taking any anti-circ comments as a deep and personal attack on her.

Jung - lets say you saw someone on here who you thought was a bad parent. Would you tell them? Do you think that all parents are good?

No not all parents are good, but someone talked about a prossie child abuser saying she thought she was a good parent, as I was saying. I don't abuse my children. If someone was beating their child I'd tell them they were a bad parent. I'm a good parent, all my friends and family think so, circumcision or not.

I said that (about the druggie prossie) - as an example about how just because we "think" we're good parents doesn't mean that we necessarily are, its not something we can be objective about.

Earlier someone said that if something is part of someones culture, part of someones normality then they can't easily see any bad in it and thats what I was referring to. (I suppose the converse may be true too). I wasn't comparing circumcising to killing a child.

If you see someone doing something you think is wrong to their child you will call them a bad parent. Others have that same right.

However, a one of wrong action doesn't automatically make you a bad parent I suppose.

off - not of

unless that one off action involves greggs or fruit shoot of course....

OK lal, let's be joint winners and forget about it. We are all good parents and there are no fick wattless bitches (although there are some very painful fingers).