ok...will try this again, aibu to be put off a school by the amount of children with SN?

[daftpunk]

posted this in education, (Pre-school, like the twit that i am).....my ds is due to start secondary school in 2 years so we're looking around already, i am a bit put off by a school with lots of SN children, as SN also means behaviour problems....i'm not sure if i am being unreasonable.

Jesus daftpunk, I used to like you, these days you have turned into a twat of the highest order. sorry.

Yes YABU. Schools have policies, procedures and funding in place so that children with SEN and/or SN can be educated alongside everyone else. If you are concerned on a purely selfish level, you may find yourself with a child with SEN or SN one day and be very relieved you have this support, bear in mind that SEN in particular can take a long time to diagnose and a school with more children on the register in similar positions may be quicker and better at helping. Do ask the school about your concerns, but please use this thread to help you phrase them in a polite and interested manner.

Have you thought about trying it in the SN section? I wouldn't put it past you.

There is this outdated and ignorant assumption that a child with SN is also going to be disruptive and naughty. Having worked in schools now for a few years I would like to dispute that once and for all. A TINY minority of children with SN will be disruptive, but since they have a TA with them at all times, the disruption is minimal.

The majority of incidents involving disruptions, bullying and so on, involve NT kids. I've seen them disrupt entire lessons and have teachers running out of class in tears.

I would be looking into their disciplinary polity and their anti-bullying policy. Because the SN kids at secondary will be the least of your worries.

If you don't want to fight then please come and hear and tell us why you think that all children with 'SN' can't sit still for more than 2 minutes and will disrupt your son?

Is your son perfect? what if he ever disrupts another child?

No school is perfect but the level of children with SN really is the least of your worries, as someone else pointed out, it's HOW these children are supported that matters. Likewise all that crap about judging a school by the percentage of children who receive free-school meals also annoys me - having taught in a secondary school there is so much more wrong with the current education system than whether your precious child has to mix with children with SN.

So, yes, you are being unreasonable. (but I think you know that already).

When I visit a new school (for my nt ds and dd) I always ask about the numbers of pupils with sn and sen because I'd be a bit concerned about a school that didn't have many.

I'd be wondering why not? Is it that they're not able to deal well with different learning styles/ speeds? Or are they very uncaring/ impatient? Or do they have a prejudiced attitude?
Not qualities i'd be looking for in a school for my children. But each to their own.

I also have a son with sn btw, in a special school.

Fuck- didn't realise OP was Daftpunk.

WTF??

Stretch that's a very fair point.
If the school is rubbish in its provision then having any children with SEN is problematic - first and formost for the child in question, but also for everyone else.

i wasn't going to lower myself to write on here but as a mother of a child with sn im offended that you presume it means behavioural problems my ds has ASD yes can get frustrated but who doesnt we went to school induction and out of the whole calss 2 nt little boys were hitting treading on others toys, slammed a door into little boys face told him he should have moved quicker

ripped up another childs work and my ds was as good as gold helping teacher and playing

its not just sn children with behavioural problems all children have tendency to be badly behaved its the ones without assistance i worry about such as the naughty rude nt children the sn children have support and assistance so will not affect others anyway the nt children are not given this support as supposedly don't need it yet some clearly do

and sn children deserve to be included with other children with help can function perfectly fine id worry more about the naughty children without sn

when I was teaching I had far less problems from the children with SEN who were supported than from the cocky back-road twats who had been cossetted and made to feel oh so superior by their parents.

My DS hasn't joined mainstream school yet but he will soon.

At nursery the only 'disruption' he causes is painting quietly alone or over eagerly helping to tidy up.

I'm already dreading the school gate chatter when he's at 'big boy school'.

Fuck the fuck of daftpunk.

Dp, I avoided threads with you on for ages after you called me a tw*t (translated as "I don't agree with you in dp-speak)
May I now return the compliment? Why? Why do you do these things? Do you get some kind of kick out of winding people up? I just don't get it.

FWIW- if my child was going to a school with a "high proportion of SN children" then I would be happy in the knowledge that the school was inclusive, unprejudiced, well-informed, with staff who were well trained and specialised in meeting any demands that may (or may not) crop up.....

sorry, should say 'back-row'.

YABU

My DD is going to be one of the children you don't want to send your child to school with. What on earth makes your DS so special that he can't work alongside children who already have things so much harder than him?

dd2 has sn. (cerebral palsy) and a statement.
are you scared ds might catch it?

her teachers think she's lovely, and i don't think you need to worry academically lol, unless you're concerned ds won't be able to keep up?

i know it's tricky to understand, dear, but all kids with sn are completely individual, just like all the other undiagnosed nt darlings. to lump 'sn' into a vast box and back away nervously on behalf of your ds is spectacularly naive.

Apostrophe, is the hearing the only issue or does he also have SN? I work with a child atm who has mild hearing difficulties and he's going into a mainstream school that have a loop system in all classrooms. However he also has Aspergers, so will need a TA with him all the time.

i'm not talking about cerebral palsy, i'm talking about behaviour problems..

I can see on a quick read that feelings are running high on this thread but maybe, daftpunk, if you explained why you are put off this school those with experience of SN/SEN (not me) would be able to give you more info that might help.
FWIW I think any parent is entitled to choose a school however they wish and it's a valid question to ask if it worries you but its also only right to find out as much as you can from those how know most.

Yeah but you OP'd about SN- not behaviour problems.

ASD ? you are not happy with that are you?

I'm owing out don't need a raise in blood pressure tbh.

I was about to post something - then I remembered the op's views on gay people and decided not to.

Are we saying then that most SEN are well met by schools?
My understanding from the SEN boards here and in RL that parents have ti fight like fuckers to get the most basic provision.
I've met many parents who have ultimately eneded up paying or home schooling because the proviosion was terrible.
And the primary school where I voluteer really struggles with resources for its statemented kids.

thank you goldrock, i have to do school run now...will reply to you in more detail when i get back....thanks agian

I think I've explained the difference between SN and behavioural problems. One does not always go with the other.

If a child has SN, that child will have a TA with them all the time, so they will NOT disrupt a class. Not that they do. You can have kids with behavioural issues that do not have SN, these kids will NOT have a TA with them and they CAN disrupt an entire class.

So, you need to find out about their policy on discipline and behaviour. If they reward bad kids, or bribe them to be good, then steer clear. But if they are firm, and reward the kids who are always well behaved, then it's a good school.

I think your kids need to learn about inclusion because I'm not sure they'd get it from home.