ok...will try this again, aibu to be put off a school by the amount of children with SN?

[daftpunk]

posted this in education, (Pre-school, like the twit that i am).....my ds is due to start secondary school in 2 years so we're looking around already, i am a bit put off by a school with lots of SN children, as SN also means behaviour problems....i'm not sure if i am being unreasonable.

Oh is OP know to like a bit of bridge dwelling then?

with the greatest of respect, you don't sound mature enough to have DC old enough to be going to secondary school in the near future

YANBU to be put off a school with lots of SN children - the behaviour problems is a red herring, not a red flag.

Schools with a high number of SN children are unlikely to be academic in the traditional sense. If that is what you want then this is not the school for you.

High % to me means alot is diagnosed. There is no more SEN probably than before, just now teachers pick up on it much better. It would cover all sorts - dyslexia etc.

Well I was going to reply properly but it is clear that the OP decided to sit down and come up with a thread title and posts designed to create trouble and offense, so I have decided I can't be bothered.

The only thing that should concern you is if children with SN aren't supported, but not that it affects your dc but that children with SN don;t get enough from the school system.
What could be better than your dc have eyes wide open to as many different people as possible when he's growing into a young man meaning that he won't suffer the same prejudices as you??

only you know what is best for you and your dc.
but.. imo yabu.
the more people we are around with differences.. that being different from ourselves.. so cultures, skin colour, sn or not sn, imo the more tollerant (sp) we as a society will be.

if there are a high number of pupils with behavioural issues, the school will be meeting these needs. and so it shouldn't effect what your dc's educational outcome will be.

and sn and behavioural issues can mean a whole range of things.

Give the OP credit for having huge balls to come on here and post this. fool

There have been some offensive threads on here recently, but I think this will take the biscuit.

daftpunk, are you serious?

Of course YABU.

"I don't want him going to a school full of children who can't sit still for longer than 2 minutes."

Prepare yourself...

Schools are fairly representative reflection of population, I think?

In any case integration is good for both.

What are your concerns?

come and shelter behind my sofa madbadanddangerous,

I'm a Secondary teacher and whilst SN and SEN are different things, I think YABVU. SN and behavioural problems are NOT mutually exclusive. Dearie me.

AIBU to go off a poster because of the threads they start or does a naff thread not necessarily mean a naff poster? Are they mutually exclusive?

oh god, can i not ask a reasonable question without being called a troll.....i would have thought the amount of children at a school with SN OR SEN..was highly relevant..

I can understand why you'd be concerned, you want was is best for your child and don't want their education suffering, is that right?
I can understand that.

However, you don't really seem to understand what a "high" level of children with SN is, nor how that would impact (if at all) your DS.

Meet with the school and find out if you are so concerned.

Personally I think children need to mix together in order to get over ignorance and blinkered attitudes. It is a good thing for children to see that not everyone is exactly the same as them and that everyone has their own version of "normality".

I agree with Lizzylou

Are you feeling okay, daftpunk?

Goodness me.

Well there is an boy who has SN (as you call it) in my ds's class, he also plays on ds's village football team. He is a lovely young boy. He is kind, considerate and extremely uplifting. I would like to see more children like this in ds's class. Unfortunately for him and his wonderful parents he has been bullied relentlessly by some of the non SN boys and his parents will be taking him out of mainstream school at the end of this academic yr. I know which boys i would prefer to leave and it's certainly not our little super goalie.
So, YABVVVU, but i think you actually must know that.

DP, do you ever think before you post?

or about the feelings of the parents of children with SN/SEN?

FWIW< my son has SEN. but he can sit through an entire school day without disturbing anyone

lovely to see that you are lumping SN/SEN as bahavioural problems/ disruption

because of course, NT children would never be disruptive

HTH

A reasonab;le question, yes...trolling means using the net to foster discord or put a cat among the pigeons, among other things. So yes unless you are mighty ignorant this is trolling.

I used to work with these children in a mainstream secondary. It wasn't the children with special needs that were the problem, it was the children with behavioural issues.

There is a difference.

Special needs in education is a term reserved for children who have a statement. That is, they have been diagnosed with a particular disorder or syndrome and the LEA acknowledge that they will need extra support.

A child with behavioural problems only, does not have a statement. They just disrupt the class, have little or no respect for teachers, they bully, are not willing to learn etc etc.

Yes you can get children with SN who also have behavioural problems, but I think you'll find that if this is the case, they aren't usually recommended for mainstream education.

The children I had with SN were lovely. Other children were very patient and tolerant with them. Trouble is, that they were always put in the lower classes, where the behavioural problems were. I thought this was very unfair as all they were learning, was how to misbehave.

I won't comment on dp's personal views of children with SN, I'd be wasting my time. But as I have a brother with severe learning difficulties and a nephew with Down's Syndrome, I can only hope that others are more tolerant of these childrens rights to learn in a mainstream environment.

SN's do not equate behaviour problems. My DD's school (primary) has a high proportion of children with SN, but as it's a school that specialises in children with physical disabilities it does not translate into behaviour problems.
Have you even bothered to find out what kind of SN's the children have?
Have you considered that there's just as likely to be kids with no SN who have behaviour problems? They're hardly reserved for kids with diagnoses.

You sound incredibly ignorant and offensive. It may do your DS some good to go to a school which has kids with SN's so he doesn't grow up with the prejudices you evidently have.

have you thought of it this way.. the school might be a fantasic school.. the higher level of sn, sen etc maybe because the school cater very well for these children and all the pupils together.

you might be worrying about a fab school.

I don't think it's the number of children with SEN that is problematic, rather how a school manages those extra needs.
With the right support SEN shouldn't be a problem but all too often these needs are not met. Those situations are unfair on absolutely everyone.