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to say M&S is not family-friendly !!

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GLS · 28/03/2009 19:17

Hands up if you've ever had one of those moments in a supermarket where your 2 year old is throwing the world's greatest tantrum and you're caught with no milk or snacks. Today I was in M&S at Lakeside. It was packed. My toddler decided to let loose with a super-dooper tantrum so I grabbed a banana to settle him as I tried to do the shopping as fast as I could without seeming like a crazed woman! The check-out queue was a real challenge but luckily a kids mag was the perfect distraction. So I checked out, paid the bill and was leaving the store only to be stopped by a security guard who said "Do you know why I'm stopping you?" I wondered if I'd won some prize like being the 1,000th shopper or something. He persisted in asking me "Do you know why I'm stopping you?" I hadn't a clue. Did they want my feedback on my customer experience perhaps? He escorted me off to a room where I was advised that I had stolen a banana from the store without paying. I had completey forgotten about the banana! After just spending £50.57 in the store I said sorry but you're kidding right? He advised me they were calling the police! After full-on interrogation & full personal data checking, and 30 minutes of ridiculously wasted time, I was advised I was being issued with a letter barring me from ever entering another M&S store ever again, and if I did police action can be taken. I said "Do you know how much I spend at M&S every year?" (the answer is around £3,000+ pa!). I was well-dressed and presented - not your average hoodie with that 'repeat offender' type of look! So there you go. I'm sure shareholders should be worried if this is M&S' practice on mothers! What's your opinion?

OP posts:
SoupDragon · 29/03/2009 10:25

Welcome to MN, GLS. You really should have gone with grapes which are more traditional than a banana.

MadameCastafiore · 29/03/2009 10:25

I have always found M&S family friendly.

They are obviously Shop-Lifter Unfriendly and so they should be as lots of goods could cost us less but don't because the store has to recoup the monies they lose from people like you stealing things!

Gorionine · 29/03/2009 10:30

I think it can happen to anybody indeed to "forget" to pay for an item. But it is the attitude when you realise or are made to realise by a security guard for example that actually shows the true colour of a person IMO.

StealthPolarBear · 29/03/2009 10:32

I agree with you Boffin, that he was a bit heavy handed but unfortunately he was in the right and she was in the wrong so she just should have shut up and taken it! For the price of a banana she is a shoplifter and that means she can't get on her high horse about his attitude in pointing that out.
Oh and in answer to the "I've just spent £50 so why would I steal a banana?!" type attitude - but she did steal the banana. Yes, it was a mistake, but that doesn't cut it if you drive at 33mph in a 30 zone, file your tax returns a couple of days late...

DandyLioness · 29/03/2009 10:35

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nannynick · 29/03/2009 10:40

The OP asked for our opinion. They have got what they desired. If they like the opinions or not is another matter - but the disclaimer at the top of the page is quite clear... you post on AIBU at your own risk!

StealthPolarBear · 29/03/2009 10:52

yep DL, in that situation I would have said &S WBU!

StealthPolarBear · 29/03/2009 10:53

My M is sticking - not good on this thread
or when I want to go

mollyroger · 29/03/2009 11:02

I see GLS has not returned to the thread for a while. Perhaps she is sampling the quality of grapes in Morrisons as we speak

JazzHands · 29/03/2009 12:56

Many people have said that stealing is stealing and the value of the item stolen is not relevant.

I am not sure that the criminal justice system in this country agrees with that.

I doubt there would be many courts who would put the OP in prison for this, unless of course the jury was made up of self righteous MNers.

The fact that the OP had completely forgotten about the banana seems to have escaped comment as well.

Imprisoning absent minded people won't do a lot for our prison population levels.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 29/03/2009 13:10

Here's what I don't understand. The OP had a toddler who was having a tantrum. Why didn't any of the staff ask her if she needed any help?

DD once went into complete meltdown in Waitrose and they asked me if they could help. Got my trolley, packed the groceries, took it out to the car etc.

StealthPolarBear · 29/03/2009 13:11

NO, she wouldn't be imprisoned (I assume) not all crimes are. Doesn't mean it isn't a crime!
I agree, she was absent minded, and does not deserve prison (and I don't think there would be any MNers who think she would). But technically, she commited a crime, and when that was pointed out to her she should have apologised and put it right. She did neither. And as it is a crime, ignorance/absent mindedness is no defence I'm afraid - the amount stolen does not factor in that.

StealthPolarBear · 29/03/2009 13:12

ilovemydog, I agree it would have been nice, and I've had help from staff whenever DS has had a meltdown in a supermarket. In their defence though we don't know how long it was between the toddler having a tantrum and Evidence A being eaten.

Nabster · 29/03/2009 13:15

I think what a lot of people are annoyed about, and therefore less sympathetic, is the rude and bolshy reaction the OP gave when it was pointed out she had taken something without paying for it.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 29/03/2009 13:19

Did anyone read the story a few weeks ago about how the police are watching social networking sites?

I reckon this is just one big wind up to remind mothers with children that tantrums are just not a valid defence

JazzHands · 29/03/2009 13:22

I'm afraid that absent mindedness/ignorance etc are factored in when deciding whether a crime has been comitted and is regularly used as a defence.

If my DD (18mo) picks up something on the way around a shop and I don't notice, she is ignorant of the rules and that it is a crime and I am unaware that the theft has taken place, I don't believe that would result in prosecution.

Likewise if someone is mentally ill or has dementia, I believe leeway is given in those cases also.

Arguing that one theft is that same as another - as has been argued by many - ie theft of banana is as bad as theft of laptop, then presumably the same punishment should be meted out ie prison. I would expect to go to prison if I deliberately stole a laptop, therefore I should expect to go to prison if I give my DD a banana and then completely forget about it, apparently.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 29/03/2009 13:26

You expect to go to prison for stealing a banana?

StealthPolarBear · 29/03/2009 13:28

I'm not arguing that they are the same severity at all but it is a crime!
So you think ignorance of the law is a defence?
18 months is below the age at which someone can be prosecuted.

dizzychixies · 29/03/2009 13:35

Ilovemydog they watch things like youtube because idiots people post themselves doing ridiclious speeds/stunts/happy slapping etc on there and facebook/bebo etc to help with missing persons and such

I very much doubt we cause them any concern

JazzHands · 29/03/2009 13:36

I'm just pointing out that all the people who have said stealing is stealing full stop, a banana is the same as a laptop are not quite right.

In the eyes of the law these are different crimes.

Plus should people really be prosecuted for absent mindedness/ignorance/dementia etc? I would say not.

I have twice walked out of shops forgetting to pay for stuff. I have gone back and paid. When I went to the counter they would have been within their rights to have me arrested as I had left the store with goods I had not paid for.

With the argument that a banana is the same as a laptop I should have gone to prison.

Ignorance of the law being a defence - yes. If an adult has the mental age of a toddler and picks something up on the way round the shop and their carer, despite always keeping an eye out, misses it one time, I would imagine that the mental age of the "thief" wold be taken into account, yes. I don't imagine that the full weight of the law would be brought to bear in that case, I don't believe anyone would it to. If it happened time and time again with the same person I imagine it would be handled away from the criminal justice system by the involved parties.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 29/03/2009 13:41

Severity of crime is reflected in the sentence.

All I'm saying is that stealing a banana, one will probably not end up in prison...

dilemma456 · 29/03/2009 13:43

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Triggles · 29/03/2009 13:45

Sorry, but in this instance, the adult does NOT have the mental age of a toddler. And if I take my toddler (or older child) into the store, then it is MY responsibility to make sure they are not picking up items that I am not aware of. So the nonsense about a child picking up something the parent is not aware of and not paying for is just that - nonsense. You are a parent - you are responsible for your child and their actions in these types of situations. If you can't keep a reasonable eye on your child whilst out and about, then either utilise a pushchair, the seat in the cart, a babysitter, or have child stay home with partner.

And while the banana and the laptop are leagues apart in monetary value, the hierarchy for the crimes just means the punishment is different for £X amount than it is for £X amount - NOT that one is worthy of punishment and one isn't. If you take something without paying for it, regardless of your intentions, it is theft. Plain and simple. The difference being that some people, if it was accidental, are apologetic and offer to pay for or return the item. How many times do you think store security has heard someone say "I forgot..." when they've stopped someone on shoplifting? And often people will buy some items and "lift" a few smaller inexpensive ones - makes no sense, but it happens all the time. Since store security most likely doesn't know you from Adam, why should they take your word for it - especially if you have a snippy attitude to go along with it?

TheFallenMadonna · 29/03/2009 13:45

I'm sure there's another poster who's banned from M&S...

TheFallenMadonna · 29/03/2009 13:46

Or at least there has been another thread along similar lines.