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to feel uncomfortable being served by woman with tourettes that kept swearing at me?

633 replies

racmac · 30/11/2008 17:30

I went to a well known high street store and was served by a lady who had tourettes. I have no problem with this or any of her ticks BUT she kept saying cunt and wanker - i dont use these words in front of my children so dont expect others to AIBU in expecting that she shouldnt be serving customers?

It was rather disconcerting to be told "thats £20.00 please, cunt, wanker"

Racmac

OP posts:
hercules1 · 30/11/2008 20:33

It's on all the time. Dreadful.

twocutedarlings · 30/11/2008 20:33

are you for real?? onager

needmorecoffee · 30/11/2008 20:33

the lady with tourettes is clearly capable of doing her job. Otherwise she wouldn't be doing it. Any problems people have with her tics is their problem and not hers.
I don't swear in public but have no issues with someone with tourettes doing so. Why does it bother people. There have been 'think of the children' cries but kids are resilient, will not instantly sear like a navvy cos they hear someone with tourettes and frankly the issue seems to lie with the adults who get offened. Your average child couldn't give a stuff.

onager · 30/11/2008 20:34

jimjamshaslefttheyurt. The law allows you to refuse to employ someone if their disability makes them unable to do the job properly. Did you really not know that?

TheFalconInThePearTree · 30/11/2008 20:34

I rarely watch tv so I'll have a look on Youtube.

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 30/11/2008 20:34

congratulations onager your posts are the most offensive I have ever read on here.

Anna- if someone was masturbating on a bus (I assume the person had learning difficulties? or was it mental health problems?) I would think the system had failed them to be honest. They would obviously be someone very vulnerable who needed more care than they were getting. I would see them as more vulnerable than the people around them tbh. And very sad indeed.

I think comparing this to someone with TS is a bit crazy though. People with TS are not vulnerable in the way that someone with LD's or mental health problems is.

needmorecoffee · 30/11/2008 20:35

the law says you must make reasonable adjustments to enable them to do the job if they think they can and have applied for it.
The lady with tourettes was apparently doing her job well.

Whats this comercial?

luckylady74 · 30/11/2008 20:35

Swearing does not cause physical or mental harm within this context - it may offend your sensibilities, but that is not the same as raping you.
You must live in a very straight forward simple world to not understand that subtle difference.
I know you're being delberately contentious Onager, but have a little heart - this is some people's daily reality you're being so cruel about.

onager · 30/11/2008 20:35

Time to eat now so you'll have to manage without me.

ruddynorah · 30/11/2008 20:35

and thankfully m&s can obviously see that this woman CAN do her job properly.

MinkyBorage · 30/11/2008 20:36

omg, what a ghuge thread, not read all, but response to op is:
they're going to hear the words anyway, it's up to you how you handle it, and how you stop them saying the words they hear. It is not the end of the world if a 3yo says "mummy, what does cunt mean?". You handle it however you like. Also, it gives you a good opportunity to explain to them about a disability, and how we don't discriminate etc etc.
The only time I would be very worried is if I had a dc with tourettes and they hadn't heard the word cunt before, but there'd be no stopping them once they'd heard it. Now, that would be a right fucker!

needmorecoffee · 30/11/2008 20:36

all the lady needs to do her job in M&S is a bit of tolerance. Clearly she wont get it here

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 30/11/2008 20:37

onager - it doesn;t make someone unable to do their job. If you cannot exclude a child with TS for swearing because of the DDA you will find it hard to argue your case in court.

Anna8888 · 30/11/2008 20:37

jimjam - it's a young man with Down's Syndrome on his way home from whatever he does during the day (work/study). He is well cared for, clean, well dressed etc, has a mobile telephone on which he calls someone (his mother?) when he gets to a certain stop. I don't think the system has failed him in any way at all.

myredcardigan · 30/11/2008 20:38

But Jimjams,it shouldn't be just about the law.
It should be about decency.

that I was unsure at the beginning of the thread but for clarity it was about possession of polite conversation to do that particular job which many 'able' people do not hold either. Not about being kept at arms length from decent society.

twocutedarlings · 30/11/2008 20:38

enjoy your meal onager

please be carefull not to choke onit !!

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 30/11/2008 20:39

Anna - of course the system has failed him if he is masturbating to ejaculation in public. He could end up with his head kicked in.

glitterball · 30/11/2008 20:39

people with epilepsy arent allowed to drive because if they have a fit while driving they are highly likely to crash & either kill themselves, their passengers, or others.

so far as i know, no-one has ever died or suffered a serious injury from hearing someone with tourettes swear or seeing their tics

ruddynorah · 30/11/2008 20:39

decency? as in, showing tolerance of people's tics etc?

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 30/11/2008 20:40

And if when my son is under the care of idiot social workers in the future I find that he has been in a position where he has been ejaculating in public believe me there will be utter hell to pay. It won't happen whilst he's in my care.

Anna8888 · 30/11/2008 20:40

I don't understand the point you are making, jimjam.

Do you mean he should be travelling by taxi? Should the system be financing this?

SpirobranchusGiganteus · 30/11/2008 20:41

The thing about tourettes is that it is only disturbing when you are unfamiliar with it. As soon as it has been explained in a couple of sentences, as soon as you have met someone who has tourettes, it loses its disturbing quality.

So a few M&S workers etc with tourettes will go a long way towards undermining its power to upset hearers and to isolate people with the condition.

hercules1 · 30/11/2008 20:41

Lots of people with special needs are able to use taxis for free already.

Libra1975 · 30/11/2008 20:41

Well I know nothing about disabled employment law, as far as I am aware my LO has no conditions and I think I am aware of what decency means and I see no problem with this lady having this job. She is able to have a "polite" conversation, it MAY be interspersed with a tic.

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 30/11/2008 20:42

I've seen ds2 and ds3 with an older child with quite bad TS. Very noticeable and other people were looking. They didn't even notice. Have never mentioned it, never said a word, not reacted in any way. Completely oblivious.

There are big advantages to growing up with exposure to difference and disability.