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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

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Original poster

To think its unfair that my DD will probably not get into the state school I can see from my window

455 replies

dilemma456 · 22/10/2008 15:58

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OP posts:

EachPeachPearMum · 22/10/2008 21:26

What are the good aspects of faith schools then, please?

SqueakyPop · 22/10/2008 21:26

So, there is a Catholic school, and it has no problem filling its places. Why do people want to abolish it? To make it the same as places that struggle to fill their places? Where is the logic in that?

KatieDD · 22/10/2008 21:29

Education is available to all, what you mean is the education that actually does the job, ie brings out the best in children, teaches them self motivation, self discipline and morals and manners.
Funny how all the atheists never see the link

Quattrocento · 22/10/2008 21:30

EPPM:

Well I am thinking about the diversity issues that are not dealt with adequately in my own workplace environment.

Last promotions meeting, I watched this happen:

A female partner over-egging her own particular female protogee

A jewish male partner over-egging and protecting his own jewish male protoge

There was no-one over-egging the muslims (no muslim partners) so they just got passed over.

That's an honest representation of what happened.

EachPeachPearMum · 22/10/2008 21:30

It may have no problem filling the places- but people who live locally cannot attend- therefore they are filling the places with children from some distance away.

eyeballs my point is that there aren't any schools that meet my criteria. I want a secularist school.

SheikYerBATti · 22/10/2008 21:31

So, only faith schools can fulfil that criteria Katie?

My friend went to a Catholic school that did the opposite...

EachPeachPearMum · 22/10/2008 21:32

So Katie- I have no morals, or self-motivation, or manners, or self discipline, because I did not attend a faith school?
I am sorry- I do not understand the point you are trying to make- what point were you riposting?

KatieDD · 22/10/2008 21:33

No not at all of course there are many excellent schools of all or no faiths. What makes me laugh is that people get their knickers in such a twist that the "best performing" schools (and by who's standard anyway) are faith schools and they want to attend tthem yet they want to remove the elements which are clearly part of their sucess, madness.

Miffyinsurrey · 22/10/2008 21:34

Most faith schools do not exclude people not of the faith...at my Ds c of e primary the priority is sibling, live local, church letter.

The reason people want to send their children to faith schools and that faith schools get good results is to do with their overall ethos. Maybe there should be more faith schools so everyone has a chance to send their DCs to one. I can't see that going to a faith school does anyone's DC any harm.

If this country paid more attention to Christian values maybe there would be fewer teenagers stabbing each other.

EachPeachPearMum · 22/10/2008 21:35

Well- Quat- I think there are selfish people in all walks of life!
In my workplace, there are people of all backgrounds/faiths/etc and there are always people one feels an affinity with, I have to say that I have not noticed any promotional activities of colleagues on the basis of faith, though gender, yes- it abounds!

SqueakyPop · 22/10/2008 21:37

Indeed, Miffy. Very wise words.

People on Mumsnet love to ban things that are good in society. So much misplaced energy.

spicemonster · 22/10/2008 21:37

soultaken - you can't have one rule for the CofE and another for you. You're all as bad as one another. You exclude people on grounds of religion. It's discrimination, pure and simple. I don't want my taxes to fund your childrens' education when it isn't available to all children.

Oh and it has nothing to do with league tables incidentally - I know people who have been saying the same thing for years. I'm new to it because my DS is pretty young

EachPeachPearMum · 22/10/2008 21:38

Katie -I am sorry- you have misunderstood me.
I do not want my child to attend the 'best performing school' I want my child to have the option of attending the closest school to our home- ie their local school, where they will make friends who live locally. I want my child to attend the school most appropriate for them.
I do NOT want my child to attend a faith school- regardless of how good it is- I do not want that for my children. I want there to be no faith schools.

Miffyinsurrey · 22/10/2008 21:40

Yes KatieDD - agree with all your posts!

People on Mumsnet appear want to remove private schools, grammar schools and faith schools...probably most of the best schools!

EachPeachPearMum · 22/10/2008 21:40

Squeakypop- I don't want to ban faith schools- I want them to not be state-funded- a significant difference.

I think teenagers stabbing one another has nothing to do with religion- it is more to do with the breakdown of society, a lack of deference and respect for other people and their property.

SqueakyPop · 22/10/2008 21:40

Taxes go to all sorts of places that are not in our direct personal interests. Live with it. I am not happy about a lot of beneficiaries of my taxes either, but that is not what our taxation system is about.

KatieDD · 22/10/2008 21:40

So basically you'd like something which other people in your area enjoy and benefit from to be abolished for no other reason than you don't like it Not likely is it.

EachPeachPearMum · 22/10/2008 21:41

I do not want to remove grammar schools- I think there should be more of them, and there should be more options in schooling for children who are skilled rather than academic.

SqueakyPop · 22/10/2008 21:41

I don't like child tax credits because I contribute towards them and don't benefit from them. Let's abolish them!

KatieDD · 22/10/2008 21:42

I think teenagers stabbing one another has nothing to do with religion- it is more to do with the breakdown of society, a lack of deference and respect for other people and their property.

All thing taught by religious leaders via the bible, pirahna etc etc

dollius · 22/10/2008 21:43

If a faith school receives 90% of its funding from the taxpayer then it should allocate 90% of its places to local children regardless of faith and keep 10% for its church members. Anything else is unfair.

Whether or not we should have faith schools at all is another matter.

To answer the OP - YANBU at all. You are right to be angry.

spicemonster · 22/10/2008 21:43

Access to education should be equal. Faith schools discriminate against pupils not of their faith. That is banned in the workplace and it should be in education too. There is no argument that isn't discriminatory that supports faith schools. None. It's as vile as my saying I don't want my child to go to a school where there are any black children. Vile.

SqueakyPop · 22/10/2008 21:44

Why shouldn't CAtholic schools be state funded? They get good results and are popular with parents well beyond their obvious candidates? Is that really reason to remove them from state funding, when presumably at least a representative section of their audience is paying their fair share in taxes that go to fund these schools?

Let's have some logic that is not centred on envy.

KatieDD · 22/10/2008 21:45

No it isn't at all because there are black Catholics, white Muslims, this is getting boring now.
Am off to bed, good night all. And dare I say, god bless

spicemonster · 22/10/2008 21:45

Bloody hell you're really blinkered if you think it's about envy. It's about being fair.

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