To hate materialism/western world and want to live with a remote tribe

[roseability]

Chilrearing seems to be so hard and everyone so unhappy

We must have gone wrong somewhere?

I personally blame capitalism, elitism and modern living/parenting

The thread about women expecting exspensive gifts for giving birth is an example

In some traditional tribes people fulfil their natural purpose and experience true happiness. Mothering is cherised and supported by the community.

Their children seem happier and are less demanding.

They don't lust after diamond rings or push their LOs into hundreds of activities in order to make them better, bigger, stronger.

Just a thought

I'm in Yorkshire, I love where I am could just do with a hill or two but it's great for cycling and running. Being next to the sea would be perfect.

totally unreasonable. How on earth would you mumsnet? eh?

Yes we get bomboarded by scare stories I am sick of the media, my parents are ringing me up panicking asking if we still have our jobs.. my friend's gran gave her 15k as she was so worried about the credit crunch..

the media, it's just 'there' isn't it. I know we can ignore it, but it's the general feeling that it's the most important thing in the world. My dd is now into High school musical, she has never even seen it!!!

stop the world i wanna get off!!

Now, I'm in a silly mood and probably not treating this thread with the solemnity it deserves but when I read singingtree's post about the book she read "They also use cactus leaves for sanitary towels" my first thought was well that's just making life hard for yourself - there must be comfier leaves than that.

nettles? ..

Indian culture?

Could you note, please, for the record that my Indian grandmother committed suicide, at the age of 25 or so, with PND, back in around 1943???

And I don't want to bond with other women to help each other do housework. I want to live in a society where men do their share of the housework.

Those parenting books annoy me, that seem to say that just because this is the way it's done very far away or a very long time ago, it's a better way.

Nor do I particularly want to be revered for having given birth, actually. I'm a person. Not just a mother. I do a lot of stuff besides fulfilling my biological destiny.

I don't like how ideas are fed to us through the media, i don't trust most of what I hear, really recommend reading Noam Chomsky 'Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media'

where can i go to be revered?

MI, maybe for that reason you dislike Indian culture and fair enough. However I am saying, and I feel like I am repeating myself a lot here - IF YOU WANT TO - you can look into other cultures and see what aspects of them would benefit your daily life.

And fgs sake, I know there are bits of the Indian culture that are unjust, but there are bits that are not, and imo are better than our consumerist western culture.

And my western grandmother in the early fifties got treated as a pariah because her husband left her, my mother got hounded into an early marriage because she fell pregnant and my sister got treated like an outcast in her church because she left her abusive husband - there are plaenty of unfair stories concerning women in ALL cultures of the world.

Sorry plenty, not plaenty

Just wondered what was available for women in the uk with PND in 1943?

I don't dislike 'Indian culture' - my mother is Indian, ffs, and I also think it's absurd to reduce a vast country like India to 'one culture'. (The whole point about India is it's multicultural.) I'm just trying to make a point about some of the romanticism of 'Indian culture' and/or 'the past' being made elsewhere on this thread. I've been frequently told that PND is a modern, Western malaise.

Absolutely sod all I bet, just like in every other culture.

I fully agree that capitalism is a Bad Thing and all that. I do think that romanticising the role of women and/or mothers in 'traditional cultures' is not, in my mind, the solution. I don't want that domestic, mother-defined role. I want to live in a culture that values the rest of me. Arguably, I don't at the moment, but I do not think Tribal Living would offer me that option either.

Just out of interest, would you combine a Muslim lower-middle-class woman in Hyderabad, a dalit woman living in Mumbai, a Sikh peasant woman and a Vellore-based Christian neurosurgeon under one heading of 'Indian culture'? They're all women. They all live in India. But their experiences are vastly different.

And in the same vein we should therefore not lump all the 'Western' people together, as that is multicultural too.

So what about my experience of being a Christian girl growing up in small-town New Zealan? Would it be different to an a Buddhist woman growing up in New York City?

Of course it would be.

probably had more to worry about tho in the UK in 1943 like if you were going to be killed by a bomb.

It was earlier, I think - pre-war. Pre-independence. There was a murder trial. Big stuff.

I am not romanticising what happens in India, and know that there are many different ways of life there.

For all those that were interested , my experience relates to a Hindu middle-class family in Bihar, India.

honestly, pants are just not an appropriate gift in most circumstances.

hello,
i am shocked and saddened by this post, and think some of you should think before you type.
rose, was merely pointing out that this society is way too 'me me me', and wouldnt it be nice if people were here for one another, instead of trying to stay one step ahead of the jones's
i think, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the way you worded things in response to her op, was awful. (you know who you are)
this place can be really rather cruel sometimes, and one up manship is rife also.

rose, if you are reading this, i would like to say, all the very best during your pregnancy and beyond.
i too, despair at times of the society that we live in, and dream of a much more 'tribal' like existence. so you are not alone in your feelings.
xx