I know I am but I'm going to do it anyway!

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DD2 is now 6mths, has been bf on demand mostly and is fully weaned on 3 meals with desserts, juice from a cup and the occasional snack. She is still demanding night feeds which I feel she shouldn't need if she took good feeds at 10 and 230. Instead she faffs with these and wants milk during the night. I have now decided to quit breast feeding as she will not take bottles- so it is all bottles or none iyswim. I hope that being able to see how much she takes during the day and a gentle prod to take more will reduce night feeding. I have dusted off the GF book which I used with dd1 (and who has only had a handful of disturbed nights since 3mths!) in the hope that the routine will get me some modicum of sleep. I am knackered.

I know it is unreasonable to give up bf for the sake of my sleep, however, dd1 is constantly tired (2.9mths) and is behaving awfully because of it. The baby disturbs her sleep every night

I just needed to vent sorry! Grrr to all those people who say babies get their own pattern and start sleeping eventually- I can't wait til 'eventually' happens!

mts........ good luck and hope things work out for you.

Marl.. clearly not.. enlighten me please...

I get you Barnsley
I don't get you Marlasinga! I would rather have a baby who sleeps at night and fully enjoys her day being happy while awake for a short stint of cc, than having a baby who grisles all day due to tiredness due to being up all night. If you add up c rying hours once the week of cc is over and baby has learned to settle herself she will cry far less than your over 2yrs iyswim.

I thought sweetcorn was very good for children, good for their jaws, good for fibre and antioxidants like ferulic acid which is known to be cancer reducing, though it is only released when cooked for a good amount of time as its bound to the cell wall.

sidge- her needs do come before mine, but do they come before dd1s who is supposedly little more than a baby herself at 2.9mths?

Its a shame if it wakes your other dd. Mine have amazingly, despte being taught bad habits, always slept through any night-time noise.

god how things change !!i have 5 children ages from 27/25/16/8/ 3 years old i have never ever left any of them to cry and trust me over the years there.s been many sleepless nights and being an older mummy now its tireing sometimes i also have a big family for instants my 3 yr old is my mums 35th grandchild and one of my neices has had her 40th greatgrandchild and i know 100% for sure none of them have or would leave there dcs to cry
3 month is sort of earlie to wean in most cases
i feel its normally around 4-5 month but
like said things have changed when i had my first it was put a rolled up blanket on there side when they sleep then it was just on there backs /then just on there front etc etc
i,v had a few hv in my time to and midwifes only one annoyed me tbh she,d never had ds herself !!
ps all 5 were bf 3 till 6-8 months 1 till 18 month then one till 2.5 yrs !! had many many sleepless night but don;t regret having kids it was my own choice !! oh and all had dummys

MTS... my point exactly..night time is for sleeping not being fussed over and lifted out every few hours. Crying is a natural way for a baby to communicate anything. Sometimes i wake in the night, am exhausted and can't seem to get back off. If someone came and fussed around with me it would just make it harder to get back off. I huff and puff with annoyance if i can't sleep. A baby onlt knows how nto cry... it doesn't always mean they need rescuing and rocked in your arms.

Sidge.. my childrens needs have and always do come before my own.. i consider that teaching my children over the course of a week to feel safe, settled and content in their beds throughout the night is a remarkable gift to give them.

I know I was leaving this thread but it's like a magnetI'm not getting into the CC thing, It's not my bag, but you say that it benefits him as he sleeps all night, my DS is 24 weeks, he doesn't grizzle or moan or whinge all day because he doesn't sleep through the night. He is always happy, rarely moans, get plenty of stimulation in the day and sleeps around 3 hours a day in naps, so not tired.

Now, back to the OP,If you're managing to ff DS some bottles how come you say he doesn't take a bottle and it's 'all or nothing' with bottles?

Marlasinga I have good evidence in my dd1 that cc does no harm. In fact she is very bright. She is 2.9mths and speaks clearly in 10 word sentences and links them , she is read to every night without fail and knows the titles of approx 200 books by the pics on the front.She knows most shapes. Knows how to count to 13, knows all colours and does amazing things like use her initiative- takes washing to the washer, turns on the tumble drier, dvd player, can be left with pens and know she won't draw on anything she shouldn't. I could go on. Point is that all children are amazing to their parents regardless of the method of parenting.

VS... me too, i was leaving ages ago, but can't resist coming back!!

I had to stop feeding her for 24hrs and have to give the bottle first or she won't take it iyswim.

Ah, ok, so now what's happening? You're not BFing? Or you are?
And she is taking the bottles? Sometimes?

I know VS!

I top up the afternoon one with a bf because if she only bfs she stays on for only about 5mins.

And now you want to?

Cut out BFing at this feed too? and stop night feeds or one or the other?

7am bottle but will only drink 2oz from the bottle, the other 4oz in cereal.
lunch at 1115ish with drink of water from a cup.
1430 4oz ff and me for as long as she wants.
1830 5-7oz ff from DH
2230 3-7oz ff from DH

Won't take bottles properly from me iyswim.

"I would rather have a baby who sleeps at night and fully enjoys her day being happy while awake for a short stint of cc, than having a baby who grisles all day due to tiredness due to being up all night."

I have bright, happy, self-assured, independant, well-rested children. Neither of them grisles all day because they are tired from not sleeping 7-7. They sleep the way nature intended them too. In short, light cycles whilst infants, which gradually gave way to longer deeper sleep. Neither have ever been left to cry to achieve this, both have been nurtured in the night when they woke, not ignored for prescribed, escalating amounts of time until they learnt to shut down totally with no hope of being answered if they cry out.

CC is cruel, and it is only done to benefit the parents, although all who use it will find a way to justify it. There are several clear, scientific books which discuss the potential harm that these parent centred approaches to child-rearing can bring about, Margot Sunderland is a leading expert on this subject.

I want to get her to take more milk during the day.
When she bf in the day she might do 5mins at 1030 and 5-10mins in the afternoon and that is it.
Breakfast is about 15-20mins
bedtime is the longest about30-40 mins.
She didn't feed in the night last night and settled back again and today she has taken a better amount during the day so I hope she will start to sleep better.

I am not offended by Marla expressing herself forcefully and using a little Anglo Saxon.

OP said "I know it is unreasonable to give up bf for the sake of my sleep". I quite agree, it's not unreasonable; I see the logic. It may well be in the OP's interests.

The question raised by Marla though is
"is it ethical?" Is it in the baby's interests to deprive her of the perfect food designed for her body and replace it with a manufactured products with all its attendant hazards. Is it ethical to offer milk only in a receptacle she has already rejected, when she clearly needs milk as a major part of her diet?

Re toddler's sleep: do I understand correctly that the toddler and the baby share a room? If so, that is the problem, not the kind of milk the baby drinks.

You say that to sleep train the baby using CC technique you are going to send the toddler elsewhere to sleep for a night or two. Suppose it takes longer than that? Toddler may come back to a baby sister crying more than ever.

How about mixing in some nesquik and putting it in a cup?

DS won't take a bottle from me either tbh and I had a tough time getting him to take one so I could let MiL have him for a bit.

Can you get DH/P to try PUPD?

Greenmonkies you are like a dog with a bone! In my op I didn't say I wanted to do cc, just stop bf in the hope that dd2 will up her daytime milk intake and that I can see how much she gets. We have got back to the real post btw.

MTIE - Surely if your baby wakes hungry in the middle of the night, if you feed her and she goes straight back off to sleep she won't wake your toddler at all so both of their needs are being met?

I really don't understand people who expect babies to behave like miniature adults who can regulate their appetite and sleep pattern at will. It just baffles me.