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I know I am but I'm going to do it anyway!

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mytetherisending · 02/10/2008 13:33

DD2 is now 6mths, has been bf on demand mostly and is fully weaned on 3 meals with desserts, juice from a cup and the occasional snack. She is still demanding night feeds which I feel she shouldn't need if she took good feeds at 10 and 230. Instead she faffs with these and wants milk during the night. I have now decided to quit breast feeding as she will not take bottles- so it is all bottles or none iyswim. I hope that being able to see how much she takes during the day and a gentle prod to take more will reduce night feeding. I have dusted off the GF book which I used with dd1 (and who has only had a handful of disturbed nights since 3mths!) in the hope that the routine will get me some modicum of sleep. I am knackered.

I know it is unreasonable to give up bf for the sake of my sleep, however, dd1 is constantly tired (2.9mths) and is behaving awfully because of it. The baby disturbs her sleep every night

I just needed to vent sorry! Grrr to all those people who say babies get their own pattern and start sleeping eventually- I can't wait til 'eventually' happens!

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barnsleybelle · 19/10/2008 20:44

Fabsmum... What mytether said for me too.

I have and do spend lots of time cuddling and snuggling and singing softly with both my children. The difference is i do it during the day and not through the night when it's sleep time.

I'm not sure why people like myself and mythether who encourage their children to sleep safely and contendedly through the night are made to feel like we are odd.

Ds never had the terrible 2's and was and still is a happy little sole. Dd is heading the same way. I've lost count of the people who ask if she ever cries.

It's not because i'm smug, it's not because they are perfect children, but plain and simple because they have and alwayd do get plenty of restful sleep. It's what babies need to develop.

Dd does come into a light sleep through the night but she has a little sing to herself and nods back off. I think that's nicer for her than having to cry because she needs her sleep prop to return.

most mums like me don't achieve this with the objective being that we have more time for ourselves but so that we have happier children who enjoy the whole of their days better.

Are we really so bad??

fabsmum · 19/10/2008 22:28

"So is it just coincidence then that the children who I know who are parented in a routine are far more content, happy than those who don't. I know loads of children and without word of a lie that is what I personally have observed.

People who are prejudiced against something tend to 'see' that which confirms their prejudices.

I see dozens and dozens of babies - I'm an antenatal teacher and I meet up with my mums in the weeks after the birth and hear about how they're getting on with their babies. What I see is this: that all babies are different. Some babies are very high-intensity and their mothers really struggle in the first few weeks and months. These babies can be very difficult to get into a routine, so mothers are sometimes forced to care for them in a more instinctive, less regulated way in order to simply survive. I have come across 3 week old babies who sleep less than 10 hours in a 24 hour period, despite the parents doing everything in their power to make them sleep. I've come across babies who cry for prolonged periods during the day, no matter what the parent does. What would you suggest to these parents? Let your baby cry? Don't pick them up because they've got to learn to sleep? The truth is that all parents find a way of coping that suit their parenting style and suits the character of their children. And there are lots of parents who care for their children in ways that are the polar opposite to what you do, who have very happy, thriving, contented babies.

Wanted to add, I'd also be very interested to know at what age you think it's reasonable to expect a baby to sleep through the night? My babies have been exclusively breastfed and started on solids late. I wouldn't have been able to stop night feeds easily before 6 or 7 months as they weren't well established on solids before this time.

"The difference is i do it during the day and not through the night when it's sleep time"

I take it you don't cuddle your partner in bed during the night either, or show him any affection? Or is it just babies who shouldn't be cuddled at night?

"I think that's nicer for her than having to cry because she needs her sleep prop to return"

Babies who co-sleep and feed at night don't cry. They don't need to. Mummy is close at hand. When they're ready and you're ready they move into their own beds and sleep happily there. All three of mine did and are very good, independent sleepers now.

"but plain and simple because they have and alwayd do get plenty of restful sleep. It's what babies need to develop"

Wanted to take issue with this: according to the records, as a group, exclusively breastfed babies who are far more likely to be feeding throughout the night until at least the middle of the first year, have better health and development than ff babies, who are less likely to be fed at night after the first few months, and are more likely to sleep through earlier. I do think it's worth pointing out that night waking is the healthy, historical and physiological norm for breastfed babies for at least the first six months of their lives, if not longer.

barnsleybelle · 19/10/2008 22:50

I exclusively breastfed both my children and i am most certainly not critising anyone who parents in a different way. If you want to sleep with your baby then go for it. Each to their own. You will never find any of my posts critising a parent for doing what is natural for them and suits them as a family. I am merely defending my own actions.

My breast fed babies slept in their own beds and were fed on demand through the day and night until a pattern emerged at around 3-4 months. From 5 months they were feeding at 6.30pm, dream feed at 10.30pm and then again at 7am. I have no reason to lie about this.

I also fully appreciate that all babies are different.

However..... When i describe sleeping through i do not mean silence. I mean that after each feed, or light sleep episode a baby is able to self settle.

I do not believe that if a baby is well fed, winded, clean nappy and not sick and are crying due to tiredness then lifting and cuddling to sleep is not fair on them. I used shh/pat to aid my children.

With regards to cuddling dh at night... Yes, we cuddle (and more!!) before falling asleep and again when we wake in the morning, but no, the bit inbetween is spent sleeping. I cuddle and sing and read to my children before bed and big family all in one bed cuddles in the morning, bit inbetween they sleep.

barnsleybelle · 19/10/2008 23:06

Fabsmum... I have just been thinking and came up with this.

What we have both managed to achieve are contended babies/children who are happy and well loved.
We have also proved that both methods can work and doing what feels right and is in your own opinion best for your offspring is the way to get there!!

I suppose we could discuss all night our individual thoughts and feelings on the subject and very often we do!!
However, what is most important is that our children are loved, adored and grow up to be happy confident secure individuals. Sounds like we are both on the way to this!!

barnsleybelle · 19/10/2008 23:07

I mean both mine and your ways by the way!

mytetherisending · 20/10/2008 08:35

Yes we too (DH and I) might have a cuddle etc, but like BB, middle of the night is for sleeping IMHO. I can't stand any contact while sleeping, so perhaps thats why I feel my children don't like it. Perhaps it is personality.

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mytetherisending · 21/10/2008 20:07

6 nights at 7-7 yay!!!!

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Horntail · 21/10/2008 20:55

YANBU - lack of sleep is really destructive, You do what feels right for you and your family

mytetherisending · 21/10/2008 21:44

thanks horntail! I have done what I said I was going to in the OP and it has definately been proved right that she was not taking much during the day. The first week on bottles she had 3-4oz per day feed and 6oz at bedtime with a dreamfeed. Over the last week she now takes about 6oz at breakfast, 8 in the afternoon and 8 at bedtime and now sleeps through without the dreamfeed which she used to take 5oz at. It was definately the right decision because dd1 behaviour has improved, as have all our moods

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barnsleybelle · 22/10/2008 13:17

Looks like you've cracked it now. well done to you.

itsmejo · 26/08/2011 22:10

Me too! Going to try cc with my DD2 tonight as she is now waking up to 4 times a night to bf at 7 months.

milkshakejake · 26/08/2011 22:15

hmmmm... 7mos is still v. young to not feed at night, no matter what the HVs say. 9 mos, maybe. Still - it might work!

TrillianAstra · 26/08/2011 22:24

Old thread alert!

CardyMow · 27/08/2011 00:20

I'm still bf DS3 (7mo), I have 3 older dc (and am an LP). I expect him to wake up in the night for milk. He usually has a feed at 10pm, a feed at 1am and a feed at 5am. What's the problem with bf a baby in the night? And how does a baby scream so loud it wakes other dc up? (Genuine question BTW - DS3 has NEVER woken the other dc, his cot is right next to my bed, and I wake up when he stirs for his feeds) I don't understand why you'd want to consider giving up BF when it's so much harder to bottle feed - you will have to go downstairs, sterilise the bottle, and make the bottle, then cool it down enough to give to the baby, by which time baby WILL be screaming. Isn't it much quicker, easier, and better for baby (and everyone else) to just shove a booby in??!!

ChaoticAngeloftheUnderworld · 27/08/2011 00:23

Ummm......old thread :)

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