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If you have not reserved seats on a train can you reasonably expect other passengers to stand to accomodate you and your DC?

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Upwind · 03/09/2008 10:39

I went on a long train journey on Friday afternoon & had reserved a seat. When I had lugged my bags up the length of the very long train to get to it, I found a sleeping toddler in my seat. Her mother asked me to sit elsewhere and she made the same request of the men who had booked the seat she and her DS were in. The men she had ousted stood in the corridor.

There were no seats available at rush hour that were not booked for most of my journey, and I moved twice in an effort to accomodate the family. When my ticket was inspected I was told I would have to move to my allocated seat if another passenger claimed theirs and I heard the guard clearly explaining to the mother that she would have to move if the people who booked her seat requested them. At Newcastle, the seat I was in was again claimed and now there seemed to be no other seats left. Being pregnant and tired, I did not feel able to stand and so asked the woman to move. She was aggressive and confrontational about it and I wound up loudly stating that were I not pregnant, I would stand but had booked a seat because I needed it. She vacated the seat angrily, scattering shitty wipes on the seat as she left.

So - was I being unreasonable to ask her to move? It would certainly have been easier for an obviously pregnant woman, travelling alone, to find a seat somewhere on the crowded train. But I could not face carrying my bags down the train again and was feeling paranoid about bashing my bump!

Was she being unreasonable in expecting other people to accomodate her on a Friday evening given that she had not reserved seats for her DC? The train guard said as much when she asked that he sort seats out for her. I think that had she been polite she would have been perfectly reasonable to try it on. Had she seemed in any way grateful I suspect I would have tried a bit harder to find a seat (e.g. by actually looking in the next carriage).

Or were the other passengers surrounding this being unreasonable in not offering their seats to resolve the situation?

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Portofino · 05/09/2008 23:53

I had a booking back to Blighty recently through Eurostar - Brussels to Leeds. My dd is 4. I paid for her on Eurostar and she got a reserved seat. For the intercity part in the UK you don't pay apparently til they are 5 so she got no reserved seat. Both ways they'd given me one of those airline seats but luckily someone else was willing to swap so she could have a seat.

I think it is ridiculous really - even in Belgium with cheap travel, you do not have to buy a ticket for a child under 6, but small print says if the train is busy the child gives their seat up to a paying customer. Sorry but for anyone to have a 4 - 6 year old on their lap for a 3 hour journey! What are they thinking?

Even when dd was 2 and we travelled back and forth on Eurostar every week, if the carriage was full the stewards would "bump" us to first.

handlemecarefully · 05/09/2008 23:54

I quite enjoyed the Amtrack in the States too. Spacious and ...quite noisy (commuters loudly discussing their business on their mobiles). I completely relaxed - we were the quietest foursome on there

handlemecarefully · 06/09/2008 00:02

Gone a bit quiet...Did I come over a bit strong?

vixma · 06/09/2008 00:19

If you have booked a seat that is yours! I have booked a seat last min and to be quite honest you are aware you have no seat if not indicated. Been there and done that....I was lucky as a gent gave his seat up, but I did not expect it. I Planned the trip to be crap but I booked Last min to get home, did not want to cause my child discomfort. If you have paid for a seat, and cost you money... more expensive the later you book it...what do you expect.

nooka · 06/09/2008 14:03

But handlemecarefully I do think that is a completely different experience. I have had similar, people complaining about my two - when we were in the family carriage! It's really horrible, and makes you feel that your children are in some ways pariahs. Luckily most of our experiences on long journeys have been very positive. I would regard my children as being at the noisy but fairly good with encouragement end of the spectrum.

But I really don't think you can go about nicking other people's reserved seats and then be arsy about it. It's fine if you are talking about swapping seats (I've done that when I've made the reservations online and the computer has had odd ideas about what counts as adjoining seats) but if there aren't lots of spare seats it is not right to make other people stand because you have made a mess of your traveling plans.

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