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to think that my cousin has been greedy and moneygrabbing (sorry - long!)

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tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 11:38

Please bear with me on this, it needs some back story, but I would really appreciate views on this.
I have three cousins, let's call them A (female) B and C (males). I have two brothers. The cousins are on my father's side. My father (still alive) had a brother (cousins father, dead) and a sister (unmarried, now dead). Basically, my father's sister was a real cow, miserable old spinster who never got any joy out of life. At various points during her life she had imaginary fall outs with family members, and always threatened to cut people out of her will etc. Anyway, she died about 18 months ago, and left a will which must have been guaranteed to cause a family rift! She left a sum of £5000 to each of: me, my brothers, and cousins B and C. Her house, she left to cousin A. Cousin A had always been the 'favourite' niece, in fact, I don't think any of the nephews were particularly favoured (she didnt 'like' boys!!) though having said that, of course I am a niece, so obviously not as favoured as A! Anyway, the bottom line was that none of us as nephews or nieces were close to the woman, none of us lived near etc so the will was clearly very unfair. Cousin A, at the funeral, admitted this, and said that she would feel dreadful taking the house, and she made a speech to all the family saying she would sell the house (she was an executor of the will) and then everything would be split equally 6 ways ie between the cousins. Another reason this seemed fair to us all, was that the £5000 legacies were not money she had in addition to the value of the house; she had asked that the house be sold and then the £5000 each be given out of the proceeds, with the remainder going to cousin A. Taking the date of the will into account, we realised that in fact at the time of writing, this would have been more equitable ie the house at the time would have been worth only about 45k, so 25k would have gone to five cousins, and then 20k to cousin A - still not equal, but not the huge disparity considering the value of the house at the time of death. Now, 18 months on, the house has been sold for a sum of about 140k. Cousin A suddenly announces that she has had a change of mind, and she will give the other five cousins 10k each, and then keep the rest ie around 90k. The reason she gave is that her children have university costs, will want deposits for houses in the future etc - all very well, but all of us have children who would benefit from the money.I think cousin A is hugely embarrassed about it, having done a U turn, but obviously not embarrassed enough to not be greedy.
I am pretty pissed off, but not really sure how I should be responding. On the one hand, she has given the rest of us 10k each, when actually she could have got away with 5k, and she certainly hasnt acted unlawfully. She's followed the terms of the will, but it's a will that was clearly going to lead to conflict! What also grates a little is that my father is the closest living relative left to the woman anyway. Maybe that shouldnt make a difference, but if kind of makes it seem more of a kick in the teeth. I've talked it over with DH, and he thinks the best response is just to acknowledge the money with a curt note, but then stop any further contact with cousin A. We arent close, but keep in touch at Christmas, occasional meets etc. DH thinks I should be dignified and not start up a family row about it, but at the same time, make it clear through my actions that I think she's being selfish and greedy.
Now - if you've managed to get this far, well done, and please tell me what you think!!

OP posts:
cikecaka · 28/08/2008 15:46

Think your cousin has started her own thread on this

MrsBick · 28/08/2008 16:02

maybe this has been said before, but did you stop to think that perhaps your cousin said she didn't know why she was left the lion's share to salve your conscience?

as you were not close to your aunt and are angry at her for having mental health issues (!!!) perhaps your the one who is being unreasonable expecting anything. you didn't even like the woman.

if i were your cousin, after this behavior, you would be lucky to get 5k.

i really hope that when you are old and dying that your family is a bit more compassionate and not just sitting at the other end of the country waiting for you to pop your clogs.

you mean spirited, argumentative woman.

cheshirekitty · 28/08/2008 16:12

YABU. Your aunt has every right to will her money/property to whoever she likes.

If it grieves you so much, I am sure one of the worthy charities ie NSPCC will take the burden of the £10,000 off your hands and you won't have to worry that cousin A got so much more than you.

Grow up. From what you have told me the only grasping greedy person is you.

ImnotMamaGbutsheLovesMe · 28/08/2008 16:12

I have read as much of your posts as I can bear tinkerbel!

What have you decided to do and is this actually your problem - you were promised some money and now it is isn't coming and you are still getting more than you are willed and you are not happy?

ImnotMamaGbutsheLovesMe · 28/08/2008 16:15

"given her bizarre will which at best was misguided and at worst, designed to stir up trouble, what WOULD have been the best thing to do in these circumstances? For my cousin ? And for the rest of the family??"

The best thing to do in the circumstances is to honour the will!

ImnotMamaGbutsheLovesMe · 28/08/2008 16:17

"To put this kind of pressure on her was horrid"

Actaully I think YOU are the one putting pressure on, tinkerbel72.

QuintessentialShadow · 28/08/2008 16:27

I agree with MamaG. The best thing is to honour the will. This woman clearly knew everybody but Cousin A hated her, and made a will to piss all you feckers off.

The fact that cousin A doubled the gift when she didnt have to, bear witness of a kind heart, one that was perhaps having warm feelings for her aunt?

I would decline the additional 5 k, and tell Cousin A that you want to honour the will, so you will receive the 5k, and give the other 5 k to a deserving cause. Maybe Age Concern?

expatinscotland · 28/08/2008 16:30

I tried to read the OP.

But there aren't enough paragraph breaks.

Sorry.

BalloonSlayer · 28/08/2008 16:39

Also it depends on what the will said, it may have said, "I leave £5k to the cousins and the remainder to cousin X, and if she is not living at my death to her children Y and Z."

If this was the case, the cousin may well have felt that she would be taking away from her children by giving too much away.

When you inherit money you do tend to try to think what the person who left it to you would like you to do with it. She is probably thinking: would Auntie Grouch want me to set the children up on the property ladder? Would she want me to give more money to the other cousins? The answer to the former is an unknown, but the answer to the latter is a resounding NO, as were that the case Auntie would have adjusted her will accordingly.

It also may well be that her solicitor may have revealed that he discussed updating the will with the Aunt relatively soon before her death, and she decided not to, therefore she was happy with the financial split.

There really isn't enough information to judge it all. But, at the risk of repeating myself, wills and inheritance are complex and scary subjects and it is easier to just do what the bloody will says. That the cousin has deviated from it at all is to her credit.

Like GettingaGrip says, I am finding being an executor harder than I expected. One of the things that is difficult is trying to be fair, saying to people who have sold things -such as: I need to have that money to go in the account, or can I have a receipt for things they have spent.

Oh and I am very keen on getting it all spot on - keep thinking oh shit, what if I fuck it up and get sued. I am getting more and more determined to do things by the book.

bergentulip · 28/08/2008 16:46

You know, I've thought about it whilst away from the computer (I know, shocking!), and I can kind of see that it might be disappointing to expect some cash and then for it not to come, but not something to get angry about.

Something similar happened to me and my DH, vaguely similar anyway. He was told by his grandparents that they were going to give us 15k when they found out I was pregnant with DS1. Fantastic, we thought. We were not very well off AT ALL and it would have really helped. Then, because they had overestimated they could give comfortably, they gave us 5k instead.
We were still over the moon to get this free money, but there was this tiny, nagging disappointment,.... purely because we had mentally starting spending it. We were NEVER angry about it though, and certainly did not have any sort of resentment towards the gparents.

Is it not just a bit of disappointment? I really don't think you can hold it against your cousin, in all fairness.

expatinscotland · 28/08/2008 16:51

K, I read it.

Wow, we'd be thrilled if someone left us £5k. It wouldn't matter if they had millions, the fact that they thought of us at all we'd find quite touching.

What one person decides to do with his/her money after they die is entirely their business, IMO. I've never been brought up to believe life is fair and to count my blessings when they come my way, so it wouldn't bother me one bit what Cousin A got.

I'd just be chuffed to get what I got. Cool! £5k I didn't have to go out and earn is how I see it.

stoppinattwo · 28/08/2008 16:54

Right as I see it the value of the house when it was originally to be sold was 45K.....split 4 ways is roughly 10k each.ish

So the fact that you get this 10k 18months later is besides the point...the fact that the house went for more than that in the end is besides the point. You still have the 10k you thought you were getting when your cousin agreed to shre the proceeds so i dont see what the problem is tbh

WickedBitchoftheEast · 28/08/2008 17:22

You know something, your cousin would probably be better off if you do cut all ties, cos you are one money grabbing selfish ungrateful old bat.

And I hope 'that woman' you know, the 'real cow' or 'miserable old spinster' haunts you for the rest of your miserable pathetic scrounging life, now why don't you take a U turn and piss off, because I would rather talk about you than to you because YOU DON'T LISTEN.

mazzystar · 28/08/2008 17:37

Er, yes, very harsh. Very harsh indeed.

SoupDragon · 28/08/2008 17:48

"she has landed 90k simply through the malicious actions of a sad old woman!"

No, she landed it through the rise in property prices. Would you have offered her a share of your £5000 if the property prices had dropped and she was only going to get £100?

I know which cousin sounds money grabbing and greedy to me.

bergentulip · 28/08/2008 18:05

wohhhh...... wickedbitch, two wrongs and all that. A bit harsh, and rather abusive post.

flubdub · 28/08/2008 18:06

TINKERBELL - Stop whining

flubdub · 28/08/2008 18:06

wickedbitch, you scary thing you!!!!

Turniphead1 · 28/08/2008 19:01

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highschoolmusical · 28/08/2008 19:11

YABU - Your cousin is being MORE than generous.

muminthecity · 28/08/2008 19:42

If the only reason you are upset and angry is because of your cousin's U-turn, and nothing at all to do with the money, then why is the title of your thread;

"To think that my cousin has been greedy and money-grabbing?"

Why isn't it something like "To think that my cousin has been unfair/inconsiderate/has not done the right thing?" etc

Clearly it is about the money, and clearly you are being very, very unreasonable and I will thank my lucky stars tonight that you are not a member of my family.

1066andallthat · 28/08/2008 19:48

No, I don't think you are being unreasonable.

Your aunt left her money as she saw fit - like has already been said, life and wills do not have to be fair. You weren't bothered by this.

Your cousin said it wasn't fair and proposed an alternative, which she considered fairer. She goes on to change her mind. No, her actions are not fair and could well be viewed as self-serving, unless there are extenuous circumstances. It does smack of hypocrisy.

What would I do in your place - spend the money and enjoy doing it, particularly in the light of the relative who left it and wasn't able to live life to the full. I would send a nice, as in on pretty paper, note saying I had received the money and what I was going to do with it. Why? Because it is polite to acknowledge the money and sharing the good moments (your plans for the money) is something your late-aunt was incapable of.

tiggerlovestobounce · 28/08/2008 20:19

tinkerbel
We have heard nothing of this story beyond the account that you have chosen to give us, and still you have managed to unite virtually all of mumsnet in a way I havent seen since the post about the MIL piercing the babies ear with the used earring.

And still you dont pay any attention.

expatinscotland · 28/08/2008 20:30

Seriously, do people go around thinking life has to be fair?

findtheriver · 28/08/2008 20:33

Have just come to this thread and it strikes a chord with me because we have a similar elderly fruitcake in our family - so we could be in a similar position a few years down the line! It appears, from comments made by our elderly relative, that he is leaving is estate to myself and my siblings, we are also executors, but he waxes and wanes about who is 'in favour' and who will get what - eg one sibling was suddenly told they would get substantially less because they had moved to a new job which happened to be 50 miles away (WTF?????). We have actually all discussed this and agreed that in the event of the estate actually being left to me and my siblings, we well make an equal division, regardless of what the will says. We are all in agreement about this (even though as things currently stand, I've been told I'll get a larger share ?!?). Unfortunately some old people can be completely spiteful, and can wield this kind of 'power', often because they are bitter, unfulfilled etc. Of course, our elderly relative may be leading us up the garden path and will leave the money to some obscure charity for the upkeep of ancient hedgerows or whatever - fine, that's up to him. But I like to think that if he's written a will intended to divide his family, we'll have the last laugh by just dividing it fairly!