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to think that my cousin has been greedy and moneygrabbing (sorry - long!)

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tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 11:38

Please bear with me on this, it needs some back story, but I would really appreciate views on this.
I have three cousins, let's call them A (female) B and C (males). I have two brothers. The cousins are on my father's side. My father (still alive) had a brother (cousins father, dead) and a sister (unmarried, now dead). Basically, my father's sister was a real cow, miserable old spinster who never got any joy out of life. At various points during her life she had imaginary fall outs with family members, and always threatened to cut people out of her will etc. Anyway, she died about 18 months ago, and left a will which must have been guaranteed to cause a family rift! She left a sum of £5000 to each of: me, my brothers, and cousins B and C. Her house, she left to cousin A. Cousin A had always been the 'favourite' niece, in fact, I don't think any of the nephews were particularly favoured (she didnt 'like' boys!!) though having said that, of course I am a niece, so obviously not as favoured as A! Anyway, the bottom line was that none of us as nephews or nieces were close to the woman, none of us lived near etc so the will was clearly very unfair. Cousin A, at the funeral, admitted this, and said that she would feel dreadful taking the house, and she made a speech to all the family saying she would sell the house (she was an executor of the will) and then everything would be split equally 6 ways ie between the cousins. Another reason this seemed fair to us all, was that the £5000 legacies were not money she had in addition to the value of the house; she had asked that the house be sold and then the £5000 each be given out of the proceeds, with the remainder going to cousin A. Taking the date of the will into account, we realised that in fact at the time of writing, this would have been more equitable ie the house at the time would have been worth only about 45k, so 25k would have gone to five cousins, and then 20k to cousin A - still not equal, but not the huge disparity considering the value of the house at the time of death. Now, 18 months on, the house has been sold for a sum of about 140k. Cousin A suddenly announces that she has had a change of mind, and she will give the other five cousins 10k each, and then keep the rest ie around 90k. The reason she gave is that her children have university costs, will want deposits for houses in the future etc - all very well, but all of us have children who would benefit from the money.I think cousin A is hugely embarrassed about it, having done a U turn, but obviously not embarrassed enough to not be greedy.
I am pretty pissed off, but not really sure how I should be responding. On the one hand, she has given the rest of us 10k each, when actually she could have got away with 5k, and she certainly hasnt acted unlawfully. She's followed the terms of the will, but it's a will that was clearly going to lead to conflict! What also grates a little is that my father is the closest living relative left to the woman anyway. Maybe that shouldnt make a difference, but if kind of makes it seem more of a kick in the teeth. I've talked it over with DH, and he thinks the best response is just to acknowledge the money with a curt note, but then stop any further contact with cousin A. We arent close, but keep in touch at Christmas, occasional meets etc. DH thinks I should be dignified and not start up a family row about it, but at the same time, make it clear through my actions that I think she's being selfish and greedy.
Now - if you've managed to get this far, well done, and please tell me what you think!!

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ChippyMinton · 28/08/2008 13:48

Tinkerbel, ask yourself honestly, if it came to the crunch and you had to sit down and write out cheques totalling £25,000 to give way, could you do it?

Now ask yourself if you could write out cheques totalling £100,000 to give away, could you do it?

And if the choice was between giving the cash to your own children, or to some cousins you hardly know and rarely see, would that affect your actions?

lulumama · 28/08/2008 13:48

i'll bet she is embarassed and defenisve, and can;t say i blame her

ChippyMinton · 28/08/2008 13:49

Sorry, not £100K, £75k.

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 13:49

ImnotmamaG - please bother reading the thread. I DID keep in touch through writing letters and sending photos of my kids etc. Aunt had a phone but would not answer it. Didnt have email.
I felt that faced with an aunt who wouldnt allow visits, that I did what i could. She was horribly abusive to her great nephews and nieces over the years - would sneer and make cutting remarks which was really bordering on emotional cruely - eg going on and on about my brothers daughter who is a redhead, telling another greatnephew what a shame he had a big nose etc. really nasty stuff. She was a terribly disturbed and difficult woman. It's really not helpful to just write posts telling me a) I should have visited, when she didnt allow it and b) that I should have written to her, when I DID!!

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tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 13:54

fluffy - the reason I was given for the U turn (by the third party who communicated the news) was that Cousin A wants the lion's share of money so that she can put down deposits to enable her children to buy houses.
I think that's a more laudable reason than splashing out on exotic holidays for herself, but the bottom line is, we would all like to be able to do that for her children, it's not as though her need is greater than anyone elses.

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tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 13:55

sorry - we'd all like to do that for our children!!

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RubySlippers · 28/08/2008 13:57

it is your cousin's money

if she wanted to blow it all on exotic holidays or a gold plated toilet it is her call

gingerninja · 28/08/2008 13:59

Tinkerbell,as you're now getting more than you expected, will you be giving the extra £5000 away?

tamarto · 28/08/2008 13:59

Yes we would and as she was left the money she is lucky enough to be able to with the money from the will.

She was the one left the money so why shouldn't she just because she made a spur of the moment decision and has since thought better of it/been advised against it.

You say it's all about her looking good in public then changing her mind in private, should she have had a party to announce her change of heart?

jesuswhatnext · 28/08/2008 14:01

she changed her mind, get over it, move on, split your 10 grand betwen your kids as you don't need the money.

actually, if cousin pissed entire amount up the wall it is nothing to do with you, its her money, she dosnet have to do anything 'laudable' with it all.

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 14:02

Chippy - I really don't know! hence the OP. It's a really complicated issue. To write a will like that is such an utterly bizarre thing to do, and seems so clearly designed to cause problems. When we first found out that she had died, and was leaving the money to the nephews and nieces and not the cats' home (which beleive me, would be preferable!!) I think we all just felt surprised, and then a few days later at the funeral, it just all seemed very sensible that the fairest thing was to put the house up for sale and distribute the money equally. Obviously this suggestion came from Cousin A, but it all seemed the best solution and indeed, something nice to come out of what was unfortunately a very sad and lonely life. I dont honestly think the money felt like 'ours' at that point anyway. You dont feel as though someone has given you a sum of money and a blank cheque book. My guess is that because the house took so long to sell, maybe my cousins husband (or children!) had time to persuade her to keep the money. I dont know. Maybe 18 months down the line it FELT more like it was 'her' money,I really dont know.

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tamarto · 28/08/2008 14:04

IT WAS HER MONEY!!!!!!!!!!

tamarto · 28/08/2008 14:06

Was is Seriously the worst thing you cousin has done is change her mind and respect the wishes of the dead relative, at most it is a lesson to us all to keep our wills up to date, or indeed to make one

TheHedgeWitch · 28/08/2008 14:09

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gingerninja · 28/08/2008 14:09

so if you didn't feel entitled to it (the extra) are you giving it away?

Personally in the original discussion I'd have been inclined to suggest a cat sanctury or something for the money.

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 14:10

yes tamarto - legally it was, I think we have all acknowledged that!! But she said at the funeral that although legally it was hers, morally she felt it would be wrong to just take it! She actually said that our aunt was so bizarre that it could easily have been any of us who had ended up with the lion's share. She uses the analogy of rolling a dice - 6 nephews and neices, 6 possible outcomes - she felt it was just random chance as there was NO logical reasoning to it. None of us were close to the aunt. None of us are in particularly great need. We all have reasonable jobs and we all have children of similar ages. Cousin A is not the oldest cousin (not that that would be a logical reason for anything anyway, but just thought I would add it!
My cousin said specifically that she felt the moral approach was the right way forward, not the legal one! So, yes, legally she has every right to do what she's done, but she did a massive Uturn to get there!

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RubySlippers · 28/08/2008 14:11

people say all sorts of things

and then do different things

bottom line is you are £10k better off

2beornot2be · 28/08/2008 14:12

But thats her choice your aunt gave it to her luck of the draw or not I would be grateful that she is giving u all £5k more than she has to and move on with my life

Money is the root of all evil

gingerninja · 28/08/2008 14:12

SO ARE YOU GIVING YOUR EXTRA SHARE AWAY?

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 14:13

Thanks HedgeWitch - helpful comment! If YOU have decided that I am bothered only about the money then there's not much I can say is there?!
I will use the money on my father, most of it, partly because he was the closest living relative, and also because as a widower I feel he deserves some treats.
It is the difficult family situation, and how best to deal with it when you have such a disturbed family member, which is what I was seeking views on.

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RubySlippers · 28/08/2008 14:14

your thread title asked us to comment on whether your cousin was greedy and money grabbing though

gingerninja · 28/08/2008 14:14

Part of it? Does this sound familiar to you?

tamarto · 28/08/2008 14:15

How best to deal with it = she is dead, forget it and move on or you could keep her memory alive by causing a family feud acting so ungratefully.

Fimbo · 28/08/2008 14:17

Tinkerbel,
You really are not reading what we are posting are you?

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 14:17

Yes Ruby, but the OP was very detailed to put it into context. If our Aunt had been a sad lonely woman wanting visitors and my cousin had been the only one to bother with her, then the situation would be rather different. My question was, given the exact circumstances, and the fact that my cousin clearly felt the will was unfair, has she behaved in a greedy way?

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