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to think that my cousin has been greedy and moneygrabbing (sorry - long!)

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tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 11:38

Please bear with me on this, it needs some back story, but I would really appreciate views on this.
I have three cousins, let's call them A (female) B and C (males). I have two brothers. The cousins are on my father's side. My father (still alive) had a brother (cousins father, dead) and a sister (unmarried, now dead). Basically, my father's sister was a real cow, miserable old spinster who never got any joy out of life. At various points during her life she had imaginary fall outs with family members, and always threatened to cut people out of her will etc. Anyway, she died about 18 months ago, and left a will which must have been guaranteed to cause a family rift! She left a sum of £5000 to each of: me, my brothers, and cousins B and C. Her house, she left to cousin A. Cousin A had always been the 'favourite' niece, in fact, I don't think any of the nephews were particularly favoured (she didnt 'like' boys!!) though having said that, of course I am a niece, so obviously not as favoured as A! Anyway, the bottom line was that none of us as nephews or nieces were close to the woman, none of us lived near etc so the will was clearly very unfair. Cousin A, at the funeral, admitted this, and said that she would feel dreadful taking the house, and she made a speech to all the family saying she would sell the house (she was an executor of the will) and then everything would be split equally 6 ways ie between the cousins. Another reason this seemed fair to us all, was that the £5000 legacies were not money she had in addition to the value of the house; she had asked that the house be sold and then the £5000 each be given out of the proceeds, with the remainder going to cousin A. Taking the date of the will into account, we realised that in fact at the time of writing, this would have been more equitable ie the house at the time would have been worth only about 45k, so 25k would have gone to five cousins, and then 20k to cousin A - still not equal, but not the huge disparity considering the value of the house at the time of death. Now, 18 months on, the house has been sold for a sum of about 140k. Cousin A suddenly announces that she has had a change of mind, and she will give the other five cousins 10k each, and then keep the rest ie around 90k. The reason she gave is that her children have university costs, will want deposits for houses in the future etc - all very well, but all of us have children who would benefit from the money.I think cousin A is hugely embarrassed about it, having done a U turn, but obviously not embarrassed enough to not be greedy.
I am pretty pissed off, but not really sure how I should be responding. On the one hand, she has given the rest of us 10k each, when actually she could have got away with 5k, and she certainly hasnt acted unlawfully. She's followed the terms of the will, but it's a will that was clearly going to lead to conflict! What also grates a little is that my father is the closest living relative left to the woman anyway. Maybe that shouldnt make a difference, but if kind of makes it seem more of a kick in the teeth. I've talked it over with DH, and he thinks the best response is just to acknowledge the money with a curt note, but then stop any further contact with cousin A. We arent close, but keep in touch at Christmas, occasional meets etc. DH thinks I should be dignified and not start up a family row about it, but at the same time, make it clear through my actions that I think she's being selfish and greedy.
Now - if you've managed to get this far, well done, and please tell me what you think!!

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tamarto · 28/08/2008 14:41

tinkerbel72 i pressume then that you have never changed your mind ever?

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 14:41

blah blah to you bum

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RubySlippers · 28/08/2008 14:42

Tinkerbel - you need and should do this with the whole matter:

write a lovely letter to you cousin and then

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move on

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 14:45

tamarto - of course everyone changes their mind about things! But when it's a big issue, and you decide to publicly announce your decision, explaining why (and she really did do this at great length - it wasnt just a snap decision along the lines of 'oh I cant possibly take the money') then I think it's very strange and possibly quite wrong to renege on that decision. My cousin spelt out very clearly why she was not happy with the will - she felt it singled her out for absolutely no reason and that to take more money than anyone else just because of some random decision by a nasty old woman was not what she wanted for the the family as a whole.

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Dropdeadfred · 28/08/2008 14:46

if you really can't thank her traight for the £10k write her a note saying 'thank you fot the money cousin, it wasn't as much as i expected/you told me i could have, but i am grateful you have doubled my leal ntitlement anyway'

End of problem - you have thanked her and noted that she changed her mind, but has still been generous

Bumdiddley · 28/08/2008 14:47

Oh, I see. You have to get the last word in!

Prattle on poppet

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 14:47

Thank you for those who have taken the trouble to make thoughful replies. As I said, I am perfectly happy for people to disagree - just useful to have intelligent responses.
I will enjoy spending the money on my father and putting some aside for my two children, though now that someone put that idea of a 6 week holiday in my head.............

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BloodySmartarse · 28/08/2008 14:48

if i were cousin A, and this was your attitude, id be damned tempted to give you the original 5k and watch you suck on it tbh.

thebecster · 28/08/2008 14:51

Can't believe I've read through all this thread. Tink, if you've read it all too, you have to see that everyone has read and understood all of your argument and everyone agrees that YABU. Think on.

YABVU.

Turniphead1 · 28/08/2008 14:53

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lulumama · 28/08/2008 14:53

she was not disturbed, she made some horrid comments to the children, which though not pleasant, is not being mentally disturbed

but none of her unpleasantness is enough for you to turn your nose up at the money, oh no, £10 000 of this lady;s money, this woman you refer to as disturbed, nasty, and a cow , you are happy to take her money

your cousin changed her mind

she did not have to give you the extra money

your aunt willed the money to the person she clearly felt deserved it more, and frankly, based on what you have written, she made the right choice

gingerninja · 28/08/2008 14:57

If some old bat had insulted my children I wouldn't be taking their money dead or alive. You're full of hypocrisy. GIVE IT AWAY. but you won't, you can't and neither can your cousin. Go figure

Turniphead1 · 28/08/2008 15:00

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gingerninja · 28/08/2008 15:03

good one turnip

TheHedgeWitch · 28/08/2008 15:04

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bellabelly · 28/08/2008 15:04

Tinkerbel, if you really think that your aunt has left "a will which is so blatantly designed to cause a rift", then surely you dismissing cousin A with a curt note and then ignoring her is letting your aunt "win"? Ie, the legacy WILL have caused a huge rift which might be just what your aunt wanted?

Turniphead1 · 28/08/2008 15:11

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BlingLovin · 28/08/2008 15:11

"given her bizarre will which at best was misguided and at worst, designed to stir up trouble," - how can a will be misguided? It's HER will - she could have asked for her money to be converted to cash and shredded and no matter how strange it was, it's her choice.

So, you think think you all (5 hard done by cousins that is) also have children with uni fees, house deposits etc to pay? Maybe then you should have insisted that the money be equally split between all living relatives? Why stop at just the nephews and nieces? Why not insist that if have two DCs and cousin C has 3, he should get more of the loot? You think you are entitled to 1/6 of the cash. You're not.

purpleduck · 28/08/2008 15:12

It was your aunts money originally, none of you lifted a finger to earn it, she had a right to give it to who she wanted.

Is was your cousins DUTY to do as your Aunt asked.

Tinkerbel, show a better example for your children.

You say none the cousins need the money...but there have been threads upon threads about how hard it is to get on the housing ladder/ how high university fees are.

As a parent, how could she line the pockets of people who didn't need the money, and ignore her children who WILL need it???

mazzystar · 28/08/2008 15:17

I think everyone should lay off Tink a bit. I think she knows that she isn't acting particularly graciously.

If you were in Tink's position, would you all honestly not be just a wee bit peeved and disappointed not to be getting a larger share if it had been promised and then whisked away?

I've posted my views further down the thread. I think she needs to get over it, but its all getting a bit harsh now.

TheHedgeWitch · 28/08/2008 15:19

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Gettingagrip · 28/08/2008 15:25

Am I right in thinking that the cousin was the executor of this will?

I only ask because recently I had to act as executor of a relative's will. This will was written over 30 years ago, and as it turned out, without going into too much detail, was very unfair on half my extended family.

At the time the will was written there was no unfairness. Bit tricky to explain, but anyway...

It took nearly two years to sort the whole thing out, and I have to say that if ever I am asked to be an executor for anyone else I will say no! Not that I was asked this time...it was a complete surprise. It was stressful, difficult, time consuming, a total nightmare in fact.

The cousin would have had no idea at the funeral just how much goes into this responsibility.

And at the time the will was written the extra value over and above the set amount of £5000 may have been the way your aunt had of rewarding your cousin for her work in being an executor. No-one could have foreseen the rise in house values.

Also, you are very much guided by the solicitors, and cannot just do whatever you decide to do!

If her experience was anything like mine she probably feels she has earned that extra money!

And the fees etc that have to be paid are very expensive.

If its any consolation to you, if your cousin feels like I do afterwards, she feels very bad indeed....I feel dreadful about my relative's will, and I never wrote it! And I will probably never see many of my family members again because of it.

jesuswhatnext · 28/08/2008 15:27

i don't think she knows at all, mazzy!

as to gettting a bit harsh, well, i think it harsh to be peeved that a woman she clearly didn't like has not left her more than 5k!

i said earlier, i think the 'nasty' old aunt my have read her family only too clearly

narkymum · 28/08/2008 15:29

Ok If you would like to insult me and humiliate me then I would be glad do releve you fo the 10k. It must be an awful burden on you.
Or you could keep it and get a life you ungratful girl. God I am glad you are not in my family, what a joy you must be!

ecoworrier · 28/08/2008 15:45

I don't agree it was the cousin's duty to do as the will said - once the money has been distributed according to the will, it is entirely up to the beneficiaries what they do with their share. So the cousin could easily have given the others an equal share if she chose, that's perfectly above board. The will would have been honoured, she would just be redistributing her share.

I just feel the cousin has acted dishonourably, however legal her actions are.

I can't believe the flak tinkerbel has got. I think she has explained herself calmly and very reasonably. Like I said before, I believe 100% there would be very different responses if anyone else found themselves in a similar position.

Yes, she is reasonable to feel disappointed or upset or whatever about the cousin's actions. Whether or not it would be reasonable for her to take this further by cutting contact with the cousin is another matter and one that only she and her husband can decide.