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to think that my cousin has been greedy and moneygrabbing (sorry - long!)

255 replies

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 11:38

Please bear with me on this, it needs some back story, but I would really appreciate views on this.
I have three cousins, let's call them A (female) B and C (males). I have two brothers. The cousins are on my father's side. My father (still alive) had a brother (cousins father, dead) and a sister (unmarried, now dead). Basically, my father's sister was a real cow, miserable old spinster who never got any joy out of life. At various points during her life she had imaginary fall outs with family members, and always threatened to cut people out of her will etc. Anyway, she died about 18 months ago, and left a will which must have been guaranteed to cause a family rift! She left a sum of £5000 to each of: me, my brothers, and cousins B and C. Her house, she left to cousin A. Cousin A had always been the 'favourite' niece, in fact, I don't think any of the nephews were particularly favoured (she didnt 'like' boys!!) though having said that, of course I am a niece, so obviously not as favoured as A! Anyway, the bottom line was that none of us as nephews or nieces were close to the woman, none of us lived near etc so the will was clearly very unfair. Cousin A, at the funeral, admitted this, and said that she would feel dreadful taking the house, and she made a speech to all the family saying she would sell the house (she was an executor of the will) and then everything would be split equally 6 ways ie between the cousins. Another reason this seemed fair to us all, was that the £5000 legacies were not money she had in addition to the value of the house; she had asked that the house be sold and then the £5000 each be given out of the proceeds, with the remainder going to cousin A. Taking the date of the will into account, we realised that in fact at the time of writing, this would have been more equitable ie the house at the time would have been worth only about 45k, so 25k would have gone to five cousins, and then 20k to cousin A - still not equal, but not the huge disparity considering the value of the house at the time of death. Now, 18 months on, the house has been sold for a sum of about 140k. Cousin A suddenly announces that she has had a change of mind, and she will give the other five cousins 10k each, and then keep the rest ie around 90k. The reason she gave is that her children have university costs, will want deposits for houses in the future etc - all very well, but all of us have children who would benefit from the money.I think cousin A is hugely embarrassed about it, having done a U turn, but obviously not embarrassed enough to not be greedy.
I am pretty pissed off, but not really sure how I should be responding. On the one hand, she has given the rest of us 10k each, when actually she could have got away with 5k, and she certainly hasnt acted unlawfully. She's followed the terms of the will, but it's a will that was clearly going to lead to conflict! What also grates a little is that my father is the closest living relative left to the woman anyway. Maybe that shouldnt make a difference, but if kind of makes it seem more of a kick in the teeth. I've talked it over with DH, and he thinks the best response is just to acknowledge the money with a curt note, but then stop any further contact with cousin A. We arent close, but keep in touch at Christmas, occasional meets etc. DH thinks I should be dignified and not start up a family row about it, but at the same time, make it clear through my actions that I think she's being selfish and greedy.
Now - if you've managed to get this far, well done, and please tell me what you think!!

OP posts:
Quattrocento · 28/08/2008 20:37

I had a great aunt who disinherited her husband's nephews in favour of her cleaning lady and her own niece.

As an arrangement it was distinctly unfair to the nephews who had dutifully paid court for the best part of 60 years ... Not to mention the fact that her husband (who earned all the money) would have disapproved mightily.

findtheriver · 28/08/2008 20:46

You do get some weird situations don't you? I guess without knowing all the details it's hard to judge. I sometimes think that these oldies who leave a million quid to the cleaner or gardener genuinely feel that they have had more loyaly from them from family. In our family's case, we all know first hand that we have all treated him the same. I still think deep down he'll do something off the wall and leave his money to something/someone else, but in all honesty I'm relieved that me and my siblings have already broached the subject between ourselves. I just know how awful it would be if he does leave the estate to us and makes a really unequal division - we know we're better off just redistributing fairly. We've also agreed we'll throw a fuck-off huge party on him

Dropdeadfred · 28/08/2008 20:46

I find it amazing that people think old people are 'spiteful' with their hard-earned money by leaving them any inheritance at all....what the hell hapened to gratitude??!?!?

expatinscotland · 28/08/2008 20:51

No shit, DDF!

Man, £10K we didn't have to earn. THANK YOU would be my reponse.

Who cares if someone got more?

findtheriver · 28/08/2008 20:56

If that's in response to my post, DDF, I didn't say leaving money is spiteful per se, I said old people can sometimes use inheritance in a apiteful and actually quite ugly way. Our elderly relative uses it as a control tool - eg my sibling took a job which happened to be 50 miles away, and the relative's response was 'Hmmmph, why does he want to work there? Think I'll have to look at my will again - don't see why he should get so much when he's buggering off!'. Absolutely outrageous. The sibling concerned still visits just as frequently - it has made no difference to the relationship. I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush, but unfortunately some elderly people do use it in a manipulative way which i think stinks. Leave the money to charity by all means - just don't use it to try to cause factions within the family.

Dropdeadfred · 28/08/2008 20:59

It wasn't really aimed specifically to you, but in all honesty I think that old peole have the absolute right to do what they want, but if any one tried to manipulate me with their will I'd say no thanks give it to charity!!!

Kewcumber · 28/08/2008 21:06

if you allow a family rift over a woman none of you seem to have cared about and when you have all ended up with more money than when she was alive then you're all bonkers.

You have inherited £10k from a woman you didn;t like and weren't close to - I'll be lucky if my own father leaves me dinner money. Get a grip and move on with your life.

muminthecity · 28/08/2008 21:12

If someone handed me £10k, I'd be far to busy planning my holiday/strolling round Harrods/booking my driving lessons to even notice, never mind care, how much money other people had been given

onemorenn · 28/08/2008 21:13

Wills are nasty.

I've never inherited anything...

My great-aunt died recently, and my aunt (childless) inherited the money my great-aunt got from the sale of her house (to my sister, at market value).

To avoid any family battles (she has three aunts who had many children) she gave all the money away.

She didn't need it though.

In your case, I think it was unfair, but then that is life.

I think perhaps in an ideal world your cousin who got the bulk of the money would have perhaps shared it out equally, but that would be utopia.

All the best, I hope you don't fall out over this...

expatinscotland · 28/08/2008 21:15

People can only use inheritence threats to control others if those others allow it.

I'd have no problem telling anyone who tried to use that tactic on me where to go.

findtheriver · 28/08/2008 21:19

Exactly expat - which is why we've already agreed that we'll share the money equally. After spending a good wodge of it on a party!!

expatinscotland · 28/08/2008 21:22

See, if there's anything left after my mum and dad die, I don't care if it's shared equally, thrown out a window, 100% given to charity, etc.

It's NOT mine by any right, I did not earn it, therefore I'm not in any position to get angry over how the rightful owner(s) decides to apportion it.

And there is no way I'd ever, ever fall out with my family over money or things that were never mine in the first place.

I just don't get that, how it has to be split equally or it's not 'fair' and a reason to fall out or greedy, etc.

I find it horribly distasteful to squabble like hygenas over a dead person's money or possessions.

mamalovesmojitos · 28/08/2008 21:23

completely agree, expat speaks the truth.

R2G · 28/08/2008 21:24

Wow VERY unreasonable.

My nan could be a bit horrid at times, growing up in a depression, domestic violence and life as a cleaner and mother can really take it out of you. I LOVED my nan but for a long time didnt really LIKE her. She said mean things, said I looked like a streetwalker when i was 12 going to a school disco, would never say she loved me, wouldn't answer me when i asked did she like my dress on my wedding day. she was in a lot of pain and was depressed i used t call and say could I come and see her and she said no. When she was dying she woke up to find me keeping vigil and said 'are you still here just go home I've already seen you now I'm not bothered'. Lots of 'abuse' as you say but life can just drain some people.

i would never disrespect her with the names you use for your aunt.

Also she left my mum £5000. She cleaned scrimped and saved for this. There was nothing for me, but something for my brothers. I didn't expect ANYTHING and £10000 is a huge some of money.

Your cousin just felt akward and was trying to people please. over time, after being an executor which is stressful, and with support/advice from her husband and solicitor and friends she has left you a massive sum of money and kept what was left to her.

You are not very nice, and have terrible values. I would stop now. Read a few posts, but all of yours. You keep saying the same thing and ARE NOT LISTENING.

Be a bit more humble please and joyous with the massive life changing sums of money your generous aunt has left you all. Smug cow you have made me feel really angry where is your respect?!

suey2 · 28/08/2008 21:35

sorry, op I am with the general consensus on this one. She has the right to leave her money to whomever she chooses. If your cousin were to go against that, she would be disrespecting your aunt's memory IMO. You got what she promised: which was way more of a gesture than she needed to make. The change in the size of the legacy is irrelevant

jasper · 28/08/2008 22:47

This is NOT a "difficult family situation" as you put it.

IT IS UP TO YOUR AUNT HOWEVER HORRIBLE AND BATTY TO DO WHAT SHE WANTS WITH HER MONEY.

THAT'S WHY IT IS CALLED A WILL.

It's HER choice.

Your cousin has been very generous and frankly the rest of you should have turned down the extra 5k because that was NOT what your aunt wanted.

Anglepoise · 28/08/2008 22:55

Has anyone said that your expectations according to what your cousin said at the funeral were £7.5K (present value of the house = £45K divided between six = £7.5K), so even though your cousin changed the terms a bit, you're still better off than you thought you were going to be?

Honestly, yes, I probably can see why you'd be a bit narked but cutting family out of your life over cash is just daft. Plus there's no rule that says wills need to be fair - I find that assumption in your OP very odd.

WickedBitchoftheEast · 28/08/2008 23:12

Maybe I was a bit harsh, but I only said what 'most' of us were thinking

jesuswhatnext · 28/08/2008 23:15

wickedbitch - harsh but fair i think!

WickedBitchoftheEast · 28/08/2008 23:18

OMG don't make me feel better about it it will only make me worse !

UniversallyChallenged · 28/08/2008 23:22

Wondered what your brothers thought of the situation? Have read most of thread but missed it if you have said

tootyflooty · 28/08/2008 23:22

Wow what a debate, this is how family rifts happen. I would just be chuffed to get 10k , send a thankyou note, saying how much the extra means to you, it must be a horrid situation for her to back track, but like it has been said previously funerals are emotional and all the family being together she probably spoke without giving the situation a lot of thought. In ten years time you will look back and be glad you didn't cause a fuss, I do understand your frustration though. My great uncle had always told my Dad he would inherit when he died. In the event he left everything to his landlady !!!, my dad was disappointed as he was in great financial need, but he never passed comment on it.Your aunt couldn't have thought that badly of you to have left you something.Be the bigger person and just let things lie, it makes for a more peaceful life.

lojoesmammy · 28/08/2008 23:41

My Gran left a substantial sum to her only child (my ma) and 10k to my sister (my only sib) and nothing to me. Now, I am not going to lie and say that I wasn't hurt, of course I was, especially as I thought we were very close (as I visited her every day) BUT I said nothing. In the end, my ma and sister decided that my sister should give me 5k, which made me feel very uncomfortable. So I put it in my kids account.

KatieDD · 28/08/2008 23:48

Oh dear, the old boot obviously knew she was making mischief when she wrote that will, don't play into her hands.

MrsPankhurst · 29/08/2008 00:14

Having read the whole thread, I agree with the consensus - YABVU and in fact seem to be the money-grabbing one yourself, rather than your cousin. Perhaps she was overwhelmed with emotion at the funeral and said some things she later regretted, or maybe she has been subsequently advised that she shouldn't amend the will, as she is merely the executor not your aunt.

Have you thought why she was the executor or the "favoured" one in the will? Is she maybe being modest about her relationship with your aunt, so as not to inflame an already fiery situation? Perhaps she did in fact get on quite well with your aunt, or even is... your aunt's secret daughter??

Either way, I think you are extremely lucky to have been left anything by your aunt - who, rest her soul, you have bad-mouthed to all and sundry on here - let alone £10k, which isn't bad from someone that you clearly didn't get on with. What a kind aunt she was to you that she didn't just leave it to a dogs' home.

Personally, I don't know how you can take the money without feeling horribly guilty.