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to think that my cousin has been greedy and moneygrabbing (sorry - long!)

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tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 11:38

Please bear with me on this, it needs some back story, but I would really appreciate views on this.
I have three cousins, let's call them A (female) B and C (males). I have two brothers. The cousins are on my father's side. My father (still alive) had a brother (cousins father, dead) and a sister (unmarried, now dead). Basically, my father's sister was a real cow, miserable old spinster who never got any joy out of life. At various points during her life she had imaginary fall outs with family members, and always threatened to cut people out of her will etc. Anyway, she died about 18 months ago, and left a will which must have been guaranteed to cause a family rift! She left a sum of £5000 to each of: me, my brothers, and cousins B and C. Her house, she left to cousin A. Cousin A had always been the 'favourite' niece, in fact, I don't think any of the nephews were particularly favoured (she didnt 'like' boys!!) though having said that, of course I am a niece, so obviously not as favoured as A! Anyway, the bottom line was that none of us as nephews or nieces were close to the woman, none of us lived near etc so the will was clearly very unfair. Cousin A, at the funeral, admitted this, and said that she would feel dreadful taking the house, and she made a speech to all the family saying she would sell the house (she was an executor of the will) and then everything would be split equally 6 ways ie between the cousins. Another reason this seemed fair to us all, was that the £5000 legacies were not money she had in addition to the value of the house; she had asked that the house be sold and then the £5000 each be given out of the proceeds, with the remainder going to cousin A. Taking the date of the will into account, we realised that in fact at the time of writing, this would have been more equitable ie the house at the time would have been worth only about 45k, so 25k would have gone to five cousins, and then 20k to cousin A - still not equal, but not the huge disparity considering the value of the house at the time of death. Now, 18 months on, the house has been sold for a sum of about 140k. Cousin A suddenly announces that she has had a change of mind, and she will give the other five cousins 10k each, and then keep the rest ie around 90k. The reason she gave is that her children have university costs, will want deposits for houses in the future etc - all very well, but all of us have children who would benefit from the money.I think cousin A is hugely embarrassed about it, having done a U turn, but obviously not embarrassed enough to not be greedy.
I am pretty pissed off, but not really sure how I should be responding. On the one hand, she has given the rest of us 10k each, when actually she could have got away with 5k, and she certainly hasnt acted unlawfully. She's followed the terms of the will, but it's a will that was clearly going to lead to conflict! What also grates a little is that my father is the closest living relative left to the woman anyway. Maybe that shouldnt make a difference, but if kind of makes it seem more of a kick in the teeth. I've talked it over with DH, and he thinks the best response is just to acknowledge the money with a curt note, but then stop any further contact with cousin A. We arent close, but keep in touch at Christmas, occasional meets etc. DH thinks I should be dignified and not start up a family row about it, but at the same time, make it clear through my actions that I think she's being selfish and greedy.
Now - if you've managed to get this far, well done, and please tell me what you think!!

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TheHedgeWitch · 28/08/2008 13:22

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tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 13:23

evangelina - that's a good point. Obviously I can't do that now, but post along those lines might have brought a very different response, I agree!
As far as the other cousins are concerned, as it's their sister who has acted like this, they are in more tricky position I think! I have spoken to one of them and he agrees that it is very unfair. He has children of university age; so I think he feels that his sister keeping the lion's share to be able to put down deposits and help her children finish Uni and buy houses is a rather feeble reason. I mean, not feeble in that we would all like our children to have a good start, but it's not as though her children are any more needy than ours! I think the general feeling among the five of us is pretty much what we felt at the funeral - ie our Aunt had a sad and negative life, and that cousin A's announcement about sharing the money equally seemed the best response, given that there was no logical reason for writing a will of such inequalities.
Yes, I do feel pretty calm about it, I think because although I am intrigued to know how other people would have reacted, and how best to deal with these family situations where you have a 'problem' family member like my aunt, I really am not hugely bothered about the money itself. I am happy with how I plan to use it, and also feel that it would be dishonest of me to act as though my cousin has done nothing wrong.

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lulumama · 28/08/2008 13:26

no logical reason for the will of inequalities- you can be as capricious and malicious as you want in your will as long as you are of sound mind

you didn;t like the woman, she was a nasty old bag and a problem to the family, from her death you have profited by £10 000 and you are calling your cousing money grabbing and selfish

your cousin made a knee jerk decision which she has lived to regret. and your feeling of entitlement to the money is quite horrible

you could have got nothing. but you actually got twice as much as your aunt willed you

making your cousin the butt of all your anger will hardly change her mind or improve family relations

ChippyMinton · 28/08/2008 13:26

YABU.
Your cousin has given you & others £25,000 of her own money.
That is a hugely generous gesture by anyone's standards.

I do find it sad that wills so often cause this kind of conflict

Dropdeadfred · 28/08/2008 13:27

If you are really that interested in her reasons why not just call her? After all she hasn't told you this news herself yet has she? So why not call her and just ask if everything is finalised and when you can expect your share?

fluffyanimal · 28/08/2008 13:28

"also feel that it would be dishonest of me to act as though my cousin has done nothing wrong."

She has done something wrong - she made a silly snap emotional decision and then tried to backtrack, but can you be sure she did it out of greed? How do you know she didn't do it out of inexperience and then lawyer's advice? Have you read what BalloonSlayer has just posted about legal advice when executing a will?

At best you can say it was poor judgement on her part, but you are interpreting it as motivated by greed. That is YOUR interpretation, not verifiable fact.

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 13:33

'you can be as capricious and malicious as you want in your will as long as you are of sound mind'-

exactly! And the OP was because I wanted views on how remaining family members should respond when faced with exactly that situation!!
yes, chippy, one way of looking at it is that my cousin has given away £25000 of her own money. But another way of looking at it is that she has landed 90k simply through the malicious actions of a sad old woman!
I am perfectly happy for people to think I am being unreasonable when they explain why; I certainly didnt start the thread expecting everyone to agree with me, though tbh I do find the posts just saying 'You're greedy' a bit tiresome as I have tried to explain ad nauseum that this about the cousin's behaviour in presenting herself in one way in 'public' and then reneging on it in private.

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mazzystar · 28/08/2008 13:33

of course its disappointing to be promised £25k and end up with £10k. but its £5k more than you were "entitled" to.

being part of a happy family and your own peace of mind, is worth a hell of a lot more than £15k that was never actually yours.

get on with your life, and enjoy what you have been lucky enough to get.

[and maybe, realistically, think about what you would have done in her shoes. can you honestly say you would have split it 5 ways?]

ImnotMamaGbutsheLovesMe · 28/08/2008 13:35

You are not close enough to bother visiting this lady but you are happy to take her money and then want more?

YABU and your cousin is not money grabbing. She didn't have to give any of you anything.

ImnotMamaGbutsheLovesMe · 28/08/2008 13:35

A curt note? How rude.

lulumama · 28/08/2008 13:35

then you have to walk away and accept your aunt did just what she wanted adn it is not beholden on you to treat your cousin badly, due to your aunt's actions

as many have said, your cousin made a knee jerk reacion, regretted it, and has changed her mind

end of.

now up to you if you make this a family feud

mayorquimby · 28/08/2008 13:35

so your cousin has given you 5k of her money (15 k with other cousins taken into account) and you are pissed off because she hasn't given you more of her money?

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Dropdeadfred · 28/08/2008 13:36

I don't undersand why you don't contact her and question her behaviour if you are so bothered by it?

ImnotMamaGbutsheLovesMe · 28/08/2008 13:38

Okay

You don't need the money. Don't take it.

Your cousin hasn't done anything that bad imo.

You sound awful tbh.

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 13:39

mazzy - I really don't know what I would have done! I like to think I would have done the same as my cousin in the first place ie just want everything split equally, and then stuck to the decision. Or accepted the terms of the will, and just had the balls to say 'Yes, it's illogical and unfair but I'm going to stick to the will and keep the money'. I hope I wouldnt have done a U turn.
ImnotmamaG - you clearly haven't read the thread. The aunt did not ALLOW visitors for many years. I would have been prepared to visit (though I wouldnt take my children as she was abusive to them) but she did NOT want visits from any of the nephews and nieces.

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2beornot2be · 28/08/2008 13:40

I would be outraged that someone I disliked and pretty much hated left me £5000 WHEN THEY DIED for then my cousin to double that. I feel really sorry for you I really do what is the world coming too when even them miserable cow's leave you money.

Dropdeadfred · 28/08/2008 13:40

tinkerbel72 - will you ring her?

ImnotMamaGbutsheLovesMe · 28/08/2008 13:41

You don't know the reasons for the will being as it was. Maybe if you had bothered with your aunt at all you would knoiw why she left those what she did.

lulumama · 28/08/2008 13:43

have you never changed yuor mind about a really big decision? especially if you made the initial decision in an emotional state

you have your £10 000 , walk away with some dignity

2beornot2be · 28/08/2008 13:43

Why doe's it matter what the reasons for the will was at the end of the day OP didn't like the Aunt that died and now expects to get more of her money. I don't think you should cut your cousin A off just because she was favoured more than yourself and has more money than you I would be grateful for the £10k and continue to live my life.

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 13:43

I did think about doing that DropDead, but on reflection I dont see any value in trying to make my cousin feel even more embarrassed. The fact that she has communicated this through a third party (who told me that my cousin seemed hugely embarrassed and defensive about the U turn) makes it plain that she has just decided to keep most of the money and doesnt want to explain her reasons. Equally, I would find it really hard, having not been told by her directly, to just act really friendly as though she has acted in a good way! Which is why I'm going with DHs suggestion

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ImnotMamaGbutsheLovesMe · 28/08/2008 13:45

If she didn't want visits you coul dhave phoned, sent cards, etc.

fluffyanimal · 28/08/2008 13:46

I'll ask again - how do you know her U-turn was done out of greed? Especially, given that as you say, you're not that close so presumably you aren't in a position to judge her actions that precisely? I'm with dropdeadfred, why not talk to her and find out why she u-turned before you judge her?

RubySlippers · 28/08/2008 13:48

i think you should drop it

write a lovely note to thank her for the £10k

spend it on your dad etc

and let it drop!

i honestly couldn't care less if a relative said one thing and did another and it still left me BETTER off

i think your aunt knew the true meaning of family, when she left you all money even though she was (for whatever reason) basically on her own

you may think she did it to cause a rift, but to leave you anything when you hadn't seen her for years is kind IMVHO