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to think that my cousin has been greedy and moneygrabbing (sorry - long!)

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tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 11:38

Please bear with me on this, it needs some back story, but I would really appreciate views on this.
I have three cousins, let's call them A (female) B and C (males). I have two brothers. The cousins are on my father's side. My father (still alive) had a brother (cousins father, dead) and a sister (unmarried, now dead). Basically, my father's sister was a real cow, miserable old spinster who never got any joy out of life. At various points during her life she had imaginary fall outs with family members, and always threatened to cut people out of her will etc. Anyway, she died about 18 months ago, and left a will which must have been guaranteed to cause a family rift! She left a sum of £5000 to each of: me, my brothers, and cousins B and C. Her house, she left to cousin A. Cousin A had always been the 'favourite' niece, in fact, I don't think any of the nephews were particularly favoured (she didnt 'like' boys!!) though having said that, of course I am a niece, so obviously not as favoured as A! Anyway, the bottom line was that none of us as nephews or nieces were close to the woman, none of us lived near etc so the will was clearly very unfair. Cousin A, at the funeral, admitted this, and said that she would feel dreadful taking the house, and she made a speech to all the family saying she would sell the house (she was an executor of the will) and then everything would be split equally 6 ways ie between the cousins. Another reason this seemed fair to us all, was that the £5000 legacies were not money she had in addition to the value of the house; she had asked that the house be sold and then the £5000 each be given out of the proceeds, with the remainder going to cousin A. Taking the date of the will into account, we realised that in fact at the time of writing, this would have been more equitable ie the house at the time would have been worth only about 45k, so 25k would have gone to five cousins, and then 20k to cousin A - still not equal, but not the huge disparity considering the value of the house at the time of death. Now, 18 months on, the house has been sold for a sum of about 140k. Cousin A suddenly announces that she has had a change of mind, and she will give the other five cousins 10k each, and then keep the rest ie around 90k. The reason she gave is that her children have university costs, will want deposits for houses in the future etc - all very well, but all of us have children who would benefit from the money.I think cousin A is hugely embarrassed about it, having done a U turn, but obviously not embarrassed enough to not be greedy.
I am pretty pissed off, but not really sure how I should be responding. On the one hand, she has given the rest of us 10k each, when actually she could have got away with 5k, and she certainly hasnt acted unlawfully. She's followed the terms of the will, but it's a will that was clearly going to lead to conflict! What also grates a little is that my father is the closest living relative left to the woman anyway. Maybe that shouldnt make a difference, but if kind of makes it seem more of a kick in the teeth. I've talked it over with DH, and he thinks the best response is just to acknowledge the money with a curt note, but then stop any further contact with cousin A. We arent close, but keep in touch at Christmas, occasional meets etc. DH thinks I should be dignified and not start up a family row about it, but at the same time, make it clear through my actions that I think she's being selfish and greedy.
Now - if you've managed to get this far, well done, and please tell me what you think!!

OP posts:
beansmum · 28/08/2008 12:48

Funerals are emotional. Your cousin said something without really thinking it through. Then, probably after she had consulted a solicitor and worked out exactly how much money she would have left after all the costs were paid, she decided to give you twice what your aunt had wanted you to have. Your aunt, and your cousin were EXTREMELY generous and YABU, moneygrabbing and unpleasant.

BloodySmartarse · 28/08/2008 12:48

i think your cousin got carried away at the funeral with the whole 'family bonding' stuff, felt uncomfortable about being singled out, felt that you all felt pissed offf, and said somethings she thought she OUGHT to say.

but you, know, on reflection and over time, maybe she realised that she was perfectly entitled to accept her gift.

i think THATS how shes behaved. i think YOU not letting it go, and holding a grudge about it is mightily unreasonable tbh.

bergentulip · 28/08/2008 12:48

Well, if you are upset with your cousin's behaviour, I don't think you should be.

tbh, if I found myself with that much money, knowing it was needed, knowing that there were no other destitute family members who might need some help financially, I possibly would do the same thing.

Her only mistake was making such a speech at the funeral, because then all the other cousins set their hopes on this extra cash.

Yes, my conscience might feel it a bit to then U-turn, but like I say, she should not have spoken in haste initially. The woman clearly needs the money for her family. Give her a break. She is embarassed enough by the whole thing, by the sounds of things.

Besides, you get 10k. Very nice considering the aunt did not like you and you did not like her.

LazyLinePainterJane · 28/08/2008 12:49

Well, If it's not about the money at all, and you don't need it, and she was such a witch, why not give your money away to charity, or to another relative who does need it.

As for how she acted, well why would you care what she does with money you neither want nor need, from a woman who didn't really like you who you never went to see or cared for?

fluffyanimal · 28/08/2008 12:51

OK. Read BalloonSlayer's first post. And then read it again. And then read it AGAIN. This is a WILL, i.e. the very word means it is what someone willed/wanted. 'Fair' distribution doesn't come into the matter. Why do you assume your aunt did it to cause an argument, or that she should have foreseen it would? It was what she wanted, plain and simple. Whatever happened to respect for the dead?

I think your cousin was silly - and bang out of order - to say she'd go against her aunt's wishes and divide the proceeds more 'fairly'. That was her mistake, not to backtrack and mitigate her mistake with a very kind and generous gesture.

more · 28/08/2008 12:51

Your cousin A probably should not have made any kind of promises at the funeral especially with regards to an inheritance and not without consulting her husband/partner first. However, she probably felt pressured into make these "false" promises with all the (greedy maybe, not accusing, but this is how I would have felt in your cousin's shoes) eyes looking at her.

I am afraid if you keep going on about this, you are giving your late auntie the rift that she so badly wanted, and you are also at the risk of "becoming" like your aunt.

Your cousin should not have to justify what she does with her inheritance, just like you don't have to justify what you do with any inheritance that might come your way.

When you receive a present you say "Thank you, that is so nice of you to think of me like that", and if you don't like the present then you give it to charity.

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 12:53

Lazy - I am going to use a really big chunk of the money to do something for my father, I've already decided that. Just not sure what; he is a widower and now has no other family left so maybe a lovely holiday with grandchildren plus things for his house. We give to charities regularly, but yes, I may give a lump sum in addition. And anything left will go into savings for our two children.

OP posts:
Bumdiddley · 28/08/2008 12:55

Hurrah tinkerbel!

jesuswhatnext · 28/08/2008 12:56

i stand by what i said - it says it all that YOU have no problem with YOUR attitude towards people with mental health issues, i wonder if THEY have a problem with your attitude though?

StayFrosty · 28/08/2008 12:57

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Bumperlicious · 28/08/2008 12:58

I think you are all being a bit harsh on the OP. I don't think she is quibbling the will as such but the behaviour of our cousin, which quite frankly was wrong. Whatever the will says, to promise a certain amount of money then retract it is a bit off IMO.

However, to the OP I think your proposed response is wrong. Whatever the cousin said, she has acted legally, and if you want to prove you don't really care about the money you should just let it go.

Imnotok · 28/08/2008 12:59

{shock] I would be happy if someone gave me a fiver right now ,me thinks you need to get in the real world .

You have not said a word about how you will mourn your Aunt or how kind it was of her to leave you anything and by the sounds of it you all sat around picking apart her will on the day of her funeral.

You should be happy with what you have got if not donate it to me charity or put it in a trustfund for your dc .

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 13:02

more - am LOL at the idea of becoming like my aunt - there is no danger of that!
I can see that people feel I am unreasonable, so there you go, I was more interested really in what people would have done in my cousins shoes, and I guess the more general issue of how to deal with situations when you have a family member like this who makes life horrible for others when alive and then carries it on after death! And yes, it may be mental health issues, but the fact is that she was emotionally abusive to many of the great nephews and nieces.
I am going to stick with DH's advice. I will acknowledge the money with a note to my cousin as the executor, but I really would feel very false in acting as though everything is fine, because I think she knows it's an unfair situation and that she has reneged on what she told us she would do. It wont be a huge deal as we live hundreds of miles apart so its mainly been christmas cards etc. I can't be two faced and act as though I think my cousin has behaved well.
I will make sure my father enjoys the money, put some away for my children, and then put this behind me!!
Thanks for your views.

OP posts:
Fimbo · 28/08/2008 13:04

YABU. I am not going to add anymore than what everyone else has said but I will say this, why oh why oh why post in this topic if all you want is people to agree with you.

Accept the fact that everyone on here, has said yabu and move on, everytime you respond you are digging a bigger hole.

Enjoy spending the money on your father,

bran · 28/08/2008 13:04

You really need to let it go for your own peace of mind. My maternal uncle inherited quite a bit of money recently and decided to give large (really large) lump sums to my cousins (his nieces/nephews, he doesn't have children) but not to my brother or myself.

It's slightly different as he is still living, but nonetheless it's his money to do what he wants with whether he's alive or dead. My DM fumed in private briefly, but my brother and I don't care. It was his money, we weren't expecting anything from him, we don't want to feel that we 'owe' him anything and it makes no difference to us what he does with it. I have seen uncle and cousins since then and nobody has mentioned it at all. In fact my mind is so full of catching up on family news and how kids are doing etc that I don't even think about it, and that's how it should be.

Put it behind you or you'll never enjoy a family occasion properly again and that would be a much bigger loss than the extra money you feel you are due.

ecoworrier · 28/08/2008 13:05

I do think most people on here would be responding very differently if they were in tinkerbel72's position. I am sure of that.

I actually think the cousin was wrong on two counts - first of all, to make a big deal of how she shouldn't have it all and wanted to share the money, and secondly, to then change her mind. She might be in the right legally, but she hasn't acted at all well towards her cousins. Far better to have kept her mouth shut, got the money and then in her own time made any extra 'gifts' she wanted to. I don't think being emotional at the funeral excuses that.

I think tinkerbel72 is being fairly reasonable to feel the way she does. That is human nature, given what the cousin promised and in particular the way house prices made the legacies unequal in a way that probably wasn't intended. However, it would be unreasonable to act in any way on those feelings, cutting off contact or whatever.

Yes, feel that way for a while and get it out of your system. Your aunt sounds both very sad and very spiteful, while your cousin might be greedy, needy, embarrassed, impulsive, just silly or any or all of the above.

But once you've got it out of your system on here or to your close family, let it go. Send a brief note to your cousin saying thanks, then let relations resume their natural course.

Bubble99 · 28/08/2008 13:11

I certainly wouldn't write a 'curt note' to someone who has, very generously, doubled an amount of money that I was fortunate to receive in the first place.

LazyLinePainterJane · 28/08/2008 13:11

Well, yes, she has acted badly. She said she would share out the money. However, there is nothing you can do about it, other than accept that people start to behave very strangely where money is concerned.

It's great that you want to do something for your dad, at least some good will come of the whole bizarre situation!

StayFrosty · 28/08/2008 13:14

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Bubble99 · 28/08/2008 13:14

I agree that the cousin shouldn't have made the promises she did at the funeral. But, even if she doesn't divide (her!) money in the way she had planned, she has still given the OP more than the aunt had originally bequeathed.

evangelina · 28/08/2008 13:14

tinkerbel, I feel a bit sorry for you here. You have taken a lot of criticism on board and stayed calm. I can understand why your cousin's u-turn would have upset you. In her defence, people can say emotional things at funerals that change later. But overall, there's really nothing you can do about this (although it's quite human to feel jealous and aggrieved even if not really rational). What do your other cousins think?

In your shoes, I may have started an AIBU thread from the point of view of your cousin to get a different viewpoint in the responses eg "I made a speech at my aunt's funeral promising to my cousins that I would re-distribute an unequal Will but now I've changed my mind. What should I do?". Not sure if this would be considered trolling but you might have got a more mixed bag of replies.

lulumama · 28/08/2008 13:16

you are making this into something it is not

your auntie has not made life more difficult even after her death

you are choosing to make it an issue

your husband has a had few months to thikn about things, and realised with a large lump sum, she can afford to put her kids through uni , and has therefore retracted an offer, made emotionally and in haste

if i was in your cousin's shoes, i would most likely have done the same if it meant my children could go to uni . you have twice as much as your aunt left you, and you say you have no money troubles

maybe your cousin has had issues over the last few months and this money is a life saver for her and her family

it will only be an issue and cause a rift if you make it so

lulumama · 28/08/2008 13:17

sorry, your cousin, not your husband...

BalloonSlayer · 28/08/2008 13:19

I do think that, as the issue is the Cousin's U-turn, the almost certain explanation is as follows:

Wills/administering an estate is complicated and MOST people do this through a solicitor. I am doing the one I am executoring myself but even so I have had to ask advice from a "tame" solicitor from time to time.

I suspect that either the cousin has asked a solicitor to do the work (costs £5-6k incidentally) or has asked advice.

I can imagine the solicitor looking at her over the top of his glasses and saying - in a very Sir Humphrey kind of way - "It really is not a good idea to try to re-distribute the estate against the terms of the will."

He would then go on to mention that an executor can be sued for mismanagement of an estate. (Hypothetically in this case this could presumably mean that one of her own dependents could sue her for giving up what would one day become their inheritance, although I have just plucked that out of the air so don't take that too seriously.)

She would panic and say that she had promised you all - he would probably suggest that in that case she gives the extra £5k out of her own legacy and leave it at that.

Finally he would suggest that it is done in as low-key a way as possible, ie don't apologise, don't explain.

The law can be quite scary you know.

stitch · 28/08/2008 13:20

the cousin has been more than generous. the op should gracously accept the money sha has been given. twice what she was entitled to. and continue familial relations withthe cousin.

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