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to think that my cousin has been greedy and moneygrabbing (sorry - long!)

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tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 11:38

Please bear with me on this, it needs some back story, but I would really appreciate views on this.
I have three cousins, let's call them A (female) B and C (males). I have two brothers. The cousins are on my father's side. My father (still alive) had a brother (cousins father, dead) and a sister (unmarried, now dead). Basically, my father's sister was a real cow, miserable old spinster who never got any joy out of life. At various points during her life she had imaginary fall outs with family members, and always threatened to cut people out of her will etc. Anyway, she died about 18 months ago, and left a will which must have been guaranteed to cause a family rift! She left a sum of £5000 to each of: me, my brothers, and cousins B and C. Her house, she left to cousin A. Cousin A had always been the 'favourite' niece, in fact, I don't think any of the nephews were particularly favoured (she didnt 'like' boys!!) though having said that, of course I am a niece, so obviously not as favoured as A! Anyway, the bottom line was that none of us as nephews or nieces were close to the woman, none of us lived near etc so the will was clearly very unfair. Cousin A, at the funeral, admitted this, and said that she would feel dreadful taking the house, and she made a speech to all the family saying she would sell the house (she was an executor of the will) and then everything would be split equally 6 ways ie between the cousins. Another reason this seemed fair to us all, was that the £5000 legacies were not money she had in addition to the value of the house; she had asked that the house be sold and then the £5000 each be given out of the proceeds, with the remainder going to cousin A. Taking the date of the will into account, we realised that in fact at the time of writing, this would have been more equitable ie the house at the time would have been worth only about 45k, so 25k would have gone to five cousins, and then 20k to cousin A - still not equal, but not the huge disparity considering the value of the house at the time of death. Now, 18 months on, the house has been sold for a sum of about 140k. Cousin A suddenly announces that she has had a change of mind, and she will give the other five cousins 10k each, and then keep the rest ie around 90k. The reason she gave is that her children have university costs, will want deposits for houses in the future etc - all very well, but all of us have children who would benefit from the money.I think cousin A is hugely embarrassed about it, having done a U turn, but obviously not embarrassed enough to not be greedy.
I am pretty pissed off, but not really sure how I should be responding. On the one hand, she has given the rest of us 10k each, when actually she could have got away with 5k, and she certainly hasnt acted unlawfully. She's followed the terms of the will, but it's a will that was clearly going to lead to conflict! What also grates a little is that my father is the closest living relative left to the woman anyway. Maybe that shouldnt make a difference, but if kind of makes it seem more of a kick in the teeth. I've talked it over with DH, and he thinks the best response is just to acknowledge the money with a curt note, but then stop any further contact with cousin A. We arent close, but keep in touch at Christmas, occasional meets etc. DH thinks I should be dignified and not start up a family row about it, but at the same time, make it clear through my actions that I think she's being selfish and greedy.
Now - if you've managed to get this far, well done, and please tell me what you think!!

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BlingLovin · 28/08/2008 12:19

If an old lady can't be illogical in her will, then who can? And clearly she knows you all very well if she can so easily drive a wedge through you - although it sounds to me like it wasn't hard, the family dynamic is more melting butter than diamond strong!

I could almost understand if you were her children, but (unpleasant) nieces and nephews? No. This is ridiculous.

Dropdeadfred · 28/08/2008 12:20

Perhaps she knew your cousin didn't have a father to leave her money (eventually) but you did..hence her being the 'favourite' out of the girls

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 12:22

Er... possibly dropdead but again, that is a weird thing to do. My mother died years ago so I only have one parent. Can't really see the relevance, in fact my father is the closest living relative to the aunt. I will use a big chunk of the money to do something for him.

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Bumdiddley · 28/08/2008 12:22

Imagine the hoo ha if she'd left it to St Tiggywinkles or the Cats Protection League

Dropdeadfred · 28/08/2008 12:24

Tinkerbel...but your mother wasn't her relatve was she blood).your cousin's father was

jelliebelly · 28/08/2008 12:24

YABU - if your aunt had gone to the trouble of writing a will she obviously had her reasons for dividing up her wealth as she did. I suspect that your cousin did feel embarrassed at being singled out and the emotion of a funeral will lead to people saying things which in the cold light of day they wished they hadn't. Was cousin A the first born/eldest cousin? - the fact that she was also named as an executor sounds like your aunt did favour her - she probably sees her as the oldest and most responsible of the cousins.

IRockThePartyThatRocksTheParty · 28/08/2008 12:25

You seem nasty and spiteful and money grabbing. If I were cousin A I would retract my offer of £5000 of my own money with a curt note....

I expect nothing from ay family memeber upon their death but would have the decency to be gracious and thankful that they remembered me at all should I be lucky enough to recieve anything.

YABVVVU

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 12:25

Bling - What would you do in a) my cousin's shoes? and b) my shoes? I agree that the family dynamic isnt very strong, and I think this is the central issue for me. The aunt acted in a way which she must have known would cause division. What is the best way to act when you have family members like this who have mental health/personality issues which impact negatively on the rest of the family? I genuinely want to know.

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Dropdeadfred · 28/08/2008 12:28

The poor lady is dead..she has NO impact either positive or negative now.
Only YOU can allow her to impact your family dynamic

Bumdiddley · 28/08/2008 12:29

You knew she would do something to cause problems and then she did.

You have said you don't care about the money.

What part of you're ungrateful do you not understand?

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 12:29

Yes, so what would you do, dropdead, in my cousin's shoes? And how should the rest of us respond given the choice she has made?

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jesuswhatnext · 28/08/2008 12:30

you want to know?

being a bit nicer to someone you suspect of having mental health issues is always a start!

gingerninja · 28/08/2008 12:33

Under these circumstances I'd probably have kept more for myself too. Not necessarily in those quantities but when in your life are you ever given that money, those opportunities? It's like winning the lottery. Doesn't mean I wouldn't feel guity. If my relationship with the other benefactors was good I probably wouldn't though.

Dropdeadfred · 28/08/2008 12:34

Tinkerbel72....I do not know your cousins circumdances so it is harder to put myself in her shoes...
Perhaps she realised that she would be foolish to 'giveaway' her money to eople who are family by blood only wen she has children herself who would benefit...
I would write her a card aknowledging her generosity once you have recieved the cheque...

gingerninja · 28/08/2008 12:34

The response should be isn't she lucky about your cousin and oh aren't I lucky

BlingLovin · 28/08/2008 12:34

If I was the cousin I would a) have never stood up and made such a silly statement in the first place. As someone pointed out, the aunt wanted to do what she did, let her.
B) Yes, if I did stupidly stand up, and then change my mind, I would offer some explanation. however, as I wouldn't have done that, that's irrelevant.
c) as for in your shoes, if one my siblings or cousins did something stupid, then later regretted it, sure, I'd be mildly irritated but I wouldn't blame my aunt who left the money in the first place and I'd get over it pretty quickly - until the money was in my hand I wouldn't have counted on it anyway.

Certainly, what I wouldn't be doing is getting all upset with the aunt. She's dead, I never liked her anyway (this is assuming I'm you at this point) and she clearly never liked me so frankly, I'd just be a bit surprised and pleased to have received anything. The Great Aunt I mentioned earlier met me once, when I was six, and I have to acknowledge that when I moved to England and could have perhaps tried to visit her, I never did. Not once. So the fact that left me anything still absolutely astonishes me and actually makes me feel a little guilty.

Bumdiddley · 28/08/2008 12:36

If I was your cousin I would think "Hell, it's my money and I need to put my children through university. I think £10k is generous seeing as it's double what they would have got"

Quattrocento · 28/08/2008 12:36

I don't think your cousin is being selfish and greedy.

The money was willed to your cousin, she has given you more than you were entitled to, and that's that.

She probably should not have raised your expectations, in fairness, but you have absolutely no right to complain.

Make a row if you want to, by all means.

warthog · 28/08/2008 12:37

yabu

who has behaved badly is your aunt by being unfair in the will.

your cousin has been generous enough to double your inheritance. why she's getting stick from you is beyond me really. she probably shouldn't have said what she said at the funeral, but there you go. she's being more than generous now.

tbh, i think you are very jealous of cousin a for some reason. i think you need to examine your motives /feelings a little more closely.

if i were you, i'd take the 10 grand with a heart-felt 'thank you', give your dad £5000 and keep the £5000.

BloodySmartarse · 28/08/2008 12:37

only read op;

i think that you sound more interested in the money than family relations, which is the charge you are levying on cousin A. a little pot calling kettle burned im afraid.

she is perfectly within her rights to accept what was given to her, and you ought to be glad and grateful to get anything at all, given that these are all 'gifts' we are talking about here. i dont think any of you have a 'right' to 'expect' anything from a woman you didnt even like, but just happened to be related to.

im afraid, the only persons actions you can control are your own. so no matter how 'unreasonable' you think shes behaved, you are just going to have to focus on your behaviour, and not reacting like a spoiled brat. imho.

sorry if thats not what you wanted to hear!

TheCrackFox · 28/08/2008 12:40

I think it might have been easier, all around, if your Aunt had left her entire estate to the local Cats' Home. You all sound as bad as each other.

FWIW the Aunt left you £5k and you should be happy at that.

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 12:41

Bumdiddley - perhaps I havent explained myself very well. Yes, I am grateful that I have the money, though tbh, even more grateful that DH and I are comfortably enough off for the money to not really be a huge issue.
When I first heard about the terms of the will (from my father, BEFORE the funeral) I thought 'Typical that aunt would do something like this' but tbh I didnt feel particularly upset or bothered. If my cousin had accepted the original terms of the will, I think we would all have known that it was unfair, but gone along with it, because after all, people have a choice what to do in their will. The issue is that my cousin then made a big deal of talking it through at the funeral, making this emotional speech etc saying that we were all part of the same family, none of us had been close to the aunt etc and how her conscience could not allow her to accept this inequality. When we realised the date of the will, it also became obvious that when my aunt wrote it, the divisions of money would have been far more equal anyway ie house worth about 45k, so 5k each for five of us and then 20k for cousin A, with costs taken out of that obviously so she would have probably have ended up with something around 15k. But in the light of house prices having increased and the house selling for 140k, it's obviously a very different situation. The 5k legacies were a fixed amount, while the house increased by nearly 100k in value. Cousin A said herself that she thought although she had been singled out for favourable treatment, she thought our aunt probably had no idea of how much her house would increase in value, so that at the time of writing the will, she would have seen it as giving my cousin an advantage, but not such a huge one. That was my cousin's view, and obviously formed part of her decision that she couldnt accept the will as it was.
The problem for me is how she has acted. Not the money. If she wanted to keep all the money from the house, then be upfront about it. Dont give emotional speeches about wanting to be fair to the whole family and then do a sneaky U turn.

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Quattrocento · 28/08/2008 12:41

Oh have read the whole thread now and see you are not listening.

Good to see the MNet collective coming up with 100% YABU response though.

Bumdiddley · 28/08/2008 12:44

You obviously have thought about this far too much.

She was emotional - funerals do this to people.

I think 'smeaky U turn' is over the top.

Your sense of perspective is shot to bits.

tinkerbel72 · 28/08/2008 12:48

jesuswhatnext - that's a really unhelpful comment! I do know people with mental health issues, and I have no problem with my attitude towards them. Unfortunately my aunt did NOT accept support from her family. When she saw her nephews and nieces she would say and do awful things. I was upset enough at her laughing at our house when our kids were small, but she did worse things to others in the family eg mocking my brothers daughter because of her ginger hair, telling another cousins son that he was a waste of space because he didnt do well at school etc. She was a truly disturbed person. That's a fact.She wouldnt accept visits over the last few years, and had become reclusive, so actually there was very little we could do anyway, though I always kept in touch by letter and sent photos of my children etc. With all due respect, I DO know what this woman was like, and it's not helpful to suggest that she was just some victim and we were all unkind to her

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