Shocked that no one helped the girl on the train

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14 year old SA in trained

I am being unreasonable in think people need to stop being so absorbed on their phones whilst out in public. It seems no one helpped this child whilst she was being raped because they were too busy on their phones.

Being ignorant and woke doesn't make you morally superior. This is disgraceful what happened to this poor CHILD. Asylum seekers commit far more sexual assaults than people born here.

Think most of these men were born here. Feels like we have a massive societal issue with hatred of women in general https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-trial-live-nine-men-34843691

Arf, arf, arf. Groundbreaking synopsis of the issues raised.
You don't see this sort of news in the Guardian.

This. Absolute scum they are.

@TheLastSilverSaint I daresay that if you went to Afghanistan, you'd find that many more Afghan men are responsible for rape there than white British men. What point are you trying to make? And yes, if you've spent much time on mumsnet, you'd know that there have been literally hundreds of threads over the years criticising the government for its failure to deal appropriately with British rapists.

The Daily Mail absolutely does report on white British men committing sex crimes too, why do you think it doesn't? In fact they posted a news story about multiple white rapists literally a couple of hours ago: Man accused of raping wife drugged by her husband tells court he thought her snoring was part of the 'role-playing' | Daily Mail Online

Actually this is an excellent idea. The majority of illegal migrants are male because it is unsafe for females make a similar journey due to sexual assaults and rape.

Yet at the same time there are thousands of women and girls stuck in refugee camps in Jordan and Turkey and Syria.

So how about a forcible one for one return policy or even a one for two on a regulated numbers basis. This way you are providing refuge for the refugees most at risk and reducing the risk of sex crimes in the UK by male refugees with very different cultures to women's rights.

Sounds like a win win.

Yes domestic British men commit crime. It's disgusting and vile. These men can be imprisoned. If domestic partner violence is a thing, then no need to make the risk of stranger attacks worse.

Agree - the Russell Brand and ‘PPT’ threads are rammed and the outrage is palpable.

Anyone saying we ‘don’t care about white rapists’ is so fucking disingenuous I have nothing to say to them

How about accepting hordes of women from Afghanistan instead?

From your first sentence, we should never solve a problem until we can solve every permutation of that problem?

How exactly is this of any relevance to the fourteen year old child who was raped by completely different men?

If you have evidence that an ethnic British man is as likely to rape women as a man from a certain number of countries where women are considered less than beasts of burden, I'd be interested to see it. The evidence that I know of says the exact opposite.

Would it be fair enough for someone to respond to a post about that councillor by minimising it on the grounds that other men have also raped other women?

Knew it wouldn't be long. Lets ignore the fact an undocumented refugee raped an autistic child and roll out the 'British men commit sex crimes too'... im sure the child in question will find your words comforting.

Hard agree - white men rape too is the ultimate whataboutery. We know they do, too many of them, they are criminals and deviants. Why add to their number by bringing in undocumented males from a society where rape is not even widely seen as deviant?

Your comparison doesn’t really work. You’re comparing the number of Afghan men actually convicted of sexual offences with the number of white men arrested.
And where does the 80,000 figure come from, anyway?

She likes to do all this and ignore all the facts and evidence

I would definitely be for taking Afghan women and (small) children, but no men.

If you're referring to the women who left Europe to join ISIS in the past, that's a slightly more complex situation, because they already voted with their feet - they want to live in a caliphate and are prepared to sacrifice their children's lives to bring that about. I'd want women like that to be thoroughly vetted before they were allowed back - some have committed terrible crimes against Yazidi women and children for example.

Any time, any issue, anywhere is good for racism right?

I very much doubt that people were too busy on their phones while it happened in front of them

and I'm not going to read the Daily Mail to find out the gory details,

its very clear the girl was not raped in view of a carriage of passengers. who chose to focus on their phones instead - which is what your generic comment suggests and also detracts from what has happened to her

IME, if those guys had done that in front of me

they would have literally got their heads kicked-in, one after the other and then I'd answer to BTP, some you win, some you lose. Funny old game, innit?

What's racist?

So Afghan society is just like Kent then? Hmmm, I recall a SA trial local to me at a repurposed Army barracks where the defendant used the fact that women were seen as freely available for mens sexual pleasure if out and about unaccompanied as a defence in court. Spot the difference maybe?

You are being very unfair.

They could have all been paying attention and still no one notice.

They all got on the train together, sat with each other and walked down the aisle - at what part would anyone intervene.

It may have been different if she was already on the train and 2 men sat next to her that she obviously didn’t know but no one would have noticed this.

Unfortunately troubled teens are the perfect victims because often they ‘go along’ with the abuse because they don’t know how to say no or because they’re enjoying someone being nice to them and don’t know anything’s wrong until it’s too late.

At the point where passengers saw her - she likely wouldn’t have looked in any distress at all.

Yes people should get involved but let’s not forget who was actually in the wrong here - the rapists.

So the fact that British men rape excuses what these two men did ? Is that what you’re saying ? We live in an area of high immigration and close to a migrant centre. The things l’ve witnessed happening openly would make your hair stand on end. The problem here is that no-one wants to admit significant cultural differences and unfortunately as a result, we now have a whole new level of threat for women in Britain.

Yes British men rape. That does not justify letting into the country a cohort of men who have absolutely no respect for women and consider them nothing more than possessions to do with as they will. If we treat expressing concern when this kind of thing happens as racism, then the threat level to women will only increase.

Good lord. Pulled the R card quickly there....

So what do you think the actual story might be?

Uhm, maybe because there is a higher proportion of white British males in this country than refugees? 🤔

Recently in my small northern town, a refugee attempted to rape a woman and a few streets away, one living in an HMO was exposing himself outside the local primary school. These are just recent cases.

Were the grooming gangs all made up by the DM aswell?

I’ve lived in numerous Islamic counties and was married to an Arab. Very often, European woman are seen as easy bait. Other nationalities too.

I’m sure you’re aware of the disgusting laws against woman in Afghanistan? It doesn’t take much common sense that many of these men will not integrate into a western society.