To believe that Parents must have the right to tell their children they are not “in the wrong body” and children cant be “transgender”?

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The government wants to bring in a law that threatens anyone including parents with up to five years in prison for denying a child’s or an adult’s “transgender identity” -. The draft Bill is in Committee stage. Labour have committed to making it law. Surely this is just bringing back the Scottish Parliament’s vote that everyone has to agree? That men are women if they say they are? This time parents are in the firing line if they dont agree to their child being “transed” at school or elsewhere? The Bill proposes that the courts should be able to make an order to enforce compliance on parents. Surely this can’t be allowed to go through without a fight?

So what are they transitioning from and to? If humans cannot change sex, then all they are doing is putting on different clothes, changing their name and maybe taking drugs and getting surgery to modify their body a bit. No probs, as long as they realise it doesn’t change their sex and they still have to use any single sex spaces for their sex, not their “gender”.

Why?

No man can live 'as a woman'. It is blatantly obvious why.

No idea people have surgery so they look like a walking barbie doll so dont see this as any different people can think what they like it is theit body? Sure all looks ridiculous to me same as most things people do to their body in the name of fashion or to look 'good' but it is their body not mine

So as a male with a trans identity will be using male facilities, as you say the acknowledge their birth sex, how exactly will he be “living as a woman”. Which woman will he be living as? What does “living as a woman” mean?

Exactly, they can have what surgery they like, they’ve just got to know it doesn’t change their sex, and so can’t demand access to spaces not designated for their sex. I men, there that guy who had all the surgery to look like a lizard. We’ve not put him in a vivarium. He still uses human facilities….

Anyone who thinks this bill is no problem needs to listen to this.

Across the UK, loving parents have been threatened, shunned and sometimes driven to considering suicide by the authorities they once trusted.
In this series, I meet families whose lives have been thrown into turmoil by the ­failure of pretty much every institution to stand up to the cult of trans ideology.
They’ve been bullied into allowing their once-healthy children to take powerful drugs, sometimes undergo life-altering ­surgery, and be repeatedly brainwashed by the fad of gender.
I speak to parents living under threat of sanction as a result of the social worker and counselling professions abandoning sense and safeguarding.
Writer: Julie Bindel

https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/episode-one-we-know-how-you-think

Recommend listening to the entire series but this episode in particular is relevant to concerns about this bill.

As long as it doesn’t come with the expectation that their sex has changed or access to single sex facilities has been granted then fine. No compelled speech re pronouns either.

The Bill is referring to “all”sexualities not only homosexuality. Paedophilia is a sexual orientation which it is vital to deter . There is a continued quiet insidious campaign to decriminalise paedophilia- with “minor attraction” being openly used as a euphemism for child abuse. Overtly sexualised “drag queen” acts are promoted to children in schools and libraries. There are all sorts of claimed “queer” sexualities - the whole gamut being a matter of celebration - furries, infantile,polyamory. The Bill assumes that all sexualities must be protected. That is its dangerous premiss. “Transgender” is not a sexuality. But the majority of “trans” offenders are violent or sexual offenders at a much higher rate than the general male offender population.

This is very worrying. So would trying to deter someone from being a paedophile then be conversion practice? E.g. the police arresting them and putting them in prison?

It sounds like PIE all over again.

No paedophilia would still be illegal but the Bill signals a move towards “anything goes” which I believe confuses and blurs borders and includes children as having a settled sexuality - which is only to the benefit of those who want give license to paedophilia

Many of the prominent movement (men) behind trans ideology are proven sex abusers and paedophiles.

Just look at substack, where they have all been very carefully listed, with evidence - charges.

https://fanitsa.substack.com/p/the-prominent-men-behind-the-trans

https://reduxx.info/

An excellent source of listed crimes by men pretending to be women, by the day, practically

Sorry OP didn't mean to derail. This thread is about the abusive labour bill that needs to be cancelled.

How are they living as the other sex? It’s not that “I can’t stand the thought of that”, it’s more that what they think about their inner self isn’t relevant to me, only which sex they are. I don’t share your quasi religious belief in gendered souls, nor do I believe sex is a choice a person can make, or that it’s only a matter for them rather than the rest of society.

https://reduxx.info/uk-trans-identified-male-sentenced-to-20-years-for-raping-a-child/

One of thousands but this was UK last months. I didn't see it in the news. Shocker.

A key ingredient in this recipe is the resulting adults with childlike bodies. Hence the obsession with puberty blockers.

I just want to make it clear that by cases in "the states" I meant the United States specifically, but didn't capitalise, so people might think I meant Australian states. I can't quote states in Australia where that has happened (lost custody), but certainly in Victoria and New South Wales these anti- conversion laws remove the rights of parents to make these decisions for children while they are below the age of consent, and allow schools to socially transition children without notifying, and in fact deliberately withhold information from parents in this regard, if the child says that the parents are "unsupportive".
Knowing how obsessive some children can become about some things, and knowing
the general dangers of the internet for children, I agree that this is a massive safeguarding risk for the majority of decent sensible parents who have their children's best interests at heart. It also does nothing to protect children whose parents are actually dangerous to them, given the massive number of children who are known to child services for genuine risk of harm but cannot be seen due to a poorly resourced workforce.
On that front it seems like a ridiculous waste of resources to me.
And begs the question, with very real harms coming to children all over the world, why are children going through normal puberty and feeling a bit off and confused about it of such massive concern to these ideologues? I wish they would put as much energy into caring about and protecting and campaigning for the children actually being neglected or abused and actually make a bloody difference in that respect.

Good, clear illustration of the issues👏

Many are vulnerable people with disabilities and/or mental health issues identifying as trans.

Tell them they are lovely as they are.

Help them accept themselves rather than feeling they aren't a good enough male or female and pretending to be something they are not and never will be bringing on misery for many.

Awful isn't it. That will never be a female.

Thanks for sharing.

Needs sharing to everyone.

Brilliant

Exactly. And by 'fully transitioned", oddly, that means penectomy for men and mastectomy for women (for women, the requirement is not phalloplasty, perhaps because that ghastly surgery has an 80% complication rate).

So women with mastectomy "ARE MEN"? (By the way, they also say some women have a penis, so don't always require penectomy for 'being a woman'. It's all a stupid mess. No logic, just 'feels'. And harm.

This.

And this is why it's being pushed so hard.

It's a full on attempt to undo protections for women and children to benefit men who wish to use them. And yes to pps' comments about linking this to the SEND bill and the massive impact on/removal of parental rights. The left have a very serious problem, and this is a part of it.

Didn't Scotland do something similar with Name person stuff - I vaugley remember on school boards on here a parent with a child a school where HT was name person but they were providing no support for the child with SEN and disputing the diagnosis - and activley stopping the parent moving the child to somewhere better.

The UK Supreme Court ruling finally stopped it - I think more for the unconsented data shareing.