Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To cancel holiday because of DS’s behaviour?

239 replies

pageknight19 · 21/10/2026 21:15

We are supposed to be going away next week and I’m seriously considering cancelling it because of my youngest DS (14). DH thinks I’m being ridiculous and that the only people who will suffer are the rest of us but I feel like we’re rewarding him for behaving like this.

DS is our youngest by quite a long way, his brothers are 34, 32 and 30. They’re all living independently now and the oldest has a little boy of his own. We are comfortable financially and DS has always had opportunities his brothers had, although I do wonder if we’ve been softer on him because he’s the baby. DH says we haven’t.

He’s at a private school and things have been getting progressively worse over the last couple of years. He’s bright enough but just refuses to do work if he doesn’t feel like it, argues with teachers, has had detentions and suspensions and can be incredibly rude when challenged. He’s also been caught vaping more than once and we’ve found out he’s been drinking with other teenagers. I don’t mean he’s having the odd sip at a family gathering, he’s been drinking when he’s been out with friends and lying about it afterwards. Whenever we talk to him about his behaviour or his future, he shrugs. We’ve had meetings with the school and have been told more than once that his attitude needs to change. We’ve tried consequences at home but nothing seems to make much difference for long.

On Friday before half term we had a meeting and were told he was unlikely to be asked back after the holidays. The latest incident involved a row with another boy which got physical, and then DS swore at a member of staff and refused to go with them when they tried to remove him. The school hasn’t formally expelled him at this point but they’ve made it pretty clear that his place is hanging by a thread and we’re supposed to have further discussions about what happens next.

The thing is we have a holiday booked for next week which was arranged months ago. DS knows what’s happened but seems completely unbothered by it. I am absolutely furious that he doesn’t seem to understand the seriousness of the situation. I’m worrying about finding him another school and what happens if nobody wants him, while he’s carrying on as normal. If you try to talk to him about it, he just says he doesn’t want to go to university anyway, as if the only possible consequence is whether he gets into university.

I said to DH that I think we should cancel the holiday. I don’t mean because I think the school will change its mind if we do, but because I feel like he needs to understand that his behaviour has consequences. DH says it’s too late for that now and all we’d be doing is punishing ourselves and the other boys. He says we can’t spend the next few years cancelling everything because DS has done something wrong and that the holiday was booked and paid for before any of this happened.

I know cancelling a holiday won’t magically sort out his behaviour. But part of me thinks if we just carry on as normal he’ll assume he can do whatever he likes and nothing will change.

WIBU to cancel the holiday? Or would I just be punishing the rest of the family for something that isn’t their fault?

OP posts:
PrincessOfPreschool · 22/10/2026 18:14

The nonchalance is just hiding some deep feelings, I think. Maybe he is (deep down, perhaps doesn't even realise) worried about matching up to his brothers, letting you guys down, guilty about money spent on him, hiding neurodiversity etc etc. These are not excuses but I think/ comes across that you're just dealing with behaviour rather than having an depth look at what's going on. I would definitely change schools as he has a reputation now. I would think of sanctions, such as grounding, device removal etc rather than a nice family holiday, with mature brothers who could perhaps find out what's really going on. The family time may help to ground him a bit. Don't throw away that opportunity.

Crazybigtoe · 22/10/2026 18:15

Cailin66 · 22/10/2026 17:31

then it was incorrect for you to state he was not given pocket money. In fact he’s never without money, which is why he’s able to get to a city, able to buy drink and drugs. He’s had no consequences.

So, for how long, days, weeks months has he ever not had ANY pocket money?

When and for how long was his phone taken off him? You’re skirting around my question by talking about paying for it separately.

I’d imagine he could not care less about clothes, of which I’d also imagine he has tons of the best, I don’t criticise you for that, but you’re teaching him no values, especially constantly buying stuff he doesn’t actually need.

He’s clearly very spoilt. Has no consequences, and has learnt he can get whatever he wants and behave appallingly. His parents are doing him no favours. It’s a classic case of throwing money at the problem.

The maddest think is you think cancelling the holiday means something. You’ll just upset everybody. It’s better to go on holiday, but I’d be grounding him with no money and no devices. With a firm plan to tackle his behaviour on return. Sending him to a local school, which you’re making every excuse not to do, is an abject failure as a parent. He needs tough love, structure, strong discipline.

I’ve been to boarding school, all my children also, I’ve seen boys like yours. The school is not going to solve this for you. If anything he’s on a very wrong path.

Last question, who gives the pocket money? Who the punishments. Are you and your husband aligned?

Sending him to state school isn't a punishment.....

But I agree seems like he doesn't value anything he currently has which is why taking stuff away doesn't seem to have impact.

With £150 per month, and everything paid for, he has enough disposable income to buy vapes plus cannabis (and other drugs) plus alcohol. Likely, in the wrong crowd, he will be popular because he has cash. He also has access to other kids who have cash.

Illicit drugs and behaviour are quite thrilling - until they aren't.

Therescathairinmybath · 22/10/2026 18:28

I’d take him on the family holiday but while away I’d be telling him he’s a rude, disrespectful, spoilt brat and his behaviour needs to change. He needs some tough love which means much stricter parenting from you and DH.

Highfivemum · 22/10/2026 18:28

EarringsandLipstick · 22/10/2026 16:55

yes, absolutely. I do agree. And I would have (and have, and do!) tried all that in terms of consequences - remove devices, pocket money, privileges.

The reality is that for some children / teens, it works (it would have for me but then I didn't ever really get into trouble). It doesn't for others.

And at a certain point, your ability to impose those restrictions ceases. I can 'ground' my 15 yo DS but if he decides he's going out, I cannot stop him (either I'm not actually there or if I was, I can't prevent him leaving). There is an element of parenting by consensus required.

While I do still do these things, I also recognise that they don't actually improve my DS behaviour. In fact, he'll spend more time working out ways to circumvent the consequence, and as he has more time, and more to gain, than I do. he will often be able to.

As hard as it is for me to realise, there is no gain here. It's not solving the problem.

As painful and repetitive as it is, making time to connect with my DS, and talking, and talking and working through each stage of his behaviour, the impact is really the only thing that works. And I know that wouldn't work for everyone. I've realised with that that my DS doesn't really like being in 'trouble' or seen by others as behaving badly. So tapping into that motivation helps. Slowly. It may be a different motivation for others, but just saying ' take away everything' as if it is some panacea - it's not. OP is saying this. Her DS is currently grounded, may be shortly excluded from school and he doesn't care.

So glibly suggesting that you would do this and that would resolve everything (implying it's OP's fault as a parent that her DS is like this) is very annoying to read, sorry but it is.

It wasn’t meant to criticise and I do apologise if it sounded that why. I was just asking where the money comes from etc. my kids only get pocket money as a reward. It is not a regularly occurrence. If they are polite and help their siblings then they get it. Any rudeness or backchat and they don’t. Always been like that. As I said it worked for my family but as I said it may not for every family.

Blueuggboots · 22/10/2026 18:34

You’ll struggle to get him into any of the private schools in that area if he’s been expelled or he’s had to leave due to his behaviour. My son moved private schools in that area but that was because he was being bullied and left with the school’s blessing and a good reference.

whatsnewpussycatt · 22/10/2026 18:49

I haven’t read the full thread so not sure if this has been mentioned but you really need to focus on school not the holiday. Many private schools stop admissions by year 9 due to GCSE’s. They will only bend this rule in exceptional circumstances. It’s unlikely they will bend this rule for a child who has been asked to leave his previous school. They will be very reluctant to take on a pupil who has been disruptive and aggressive. Private schools can choose who they want and who they don’t.
You will then be looking at state school, which you are reluctant about. All the state schools round here are full with waiting lists. I very much doubt that this is exclusive to my area. Therefore, he will be allocated a school that has a place and that could be quite some distance away from where you live, and it may not be the best school around. He would likely end up with a place at a school that is already struggling with difficult behaviours or inadequate ofsted inspections and such like, because they will be the only ones not oversubscribed.
It seems to me the school are asking you to remove him before they expel him and muddy his record. So in my opinion, finding him a new school needs to be a priority. I’d be more worried about that than if he should be allowed on holiday.

Bridgertonisbest · 22/10/2026 18:49

I’ve raised three boys and what strikes me here is that he doesn’t care about consequences but he also doesn’t care about your approval. My boys, particularly my youngest, at that age definitely cared about consequences and would have been pretty mortified at pissing me off.

It seems there’s been something of a relationship breakdown between and both you and your husband. That’s the bit that needs rectifying first.

My oldest is almost 25 and I often go through stages of feeling all a bit parented out. Do you feel like that, has he picked up on it? Does he know he was unplanned? It can’t be easy being one of four when the other three are so close in age and you’re sixteen years younger that the youngest of them.

you say he won’t engage in therapy but I don’t see any other way forward, perhaps you haven’t found the right therapist or given it enough time, maybe family therapy might be useful.

One last thought, maybe he feels like he can’t do anything right (for you, teachers etc) so he might as well please himself since he canst please anyone else?

BeardySchnauzer · 22/10/2026 18:52

I think it’s really important you reassure him that you love him and are here to help him with the next steps but he needs to engage with you to make sure he thrives at his next school.

teens show a lot of bravado but deep down they can be terrified little kids and they don’t know how to square the circle

ThisCraftyAquaHedgehog · 22/10/2026 18:56

Take him on holiday for sure.
Lots of opportunities for him to see other teens who behave well and to drink sensibly with his older siblings.
Let him go off with them to outings and activities just for odd drip feeding of ideas he can co to make things better.
It will get him away from his unsavoury mates for the half term if nothing else!

Many private schools are desperate for pupils, so he will probably be fine elsewhere.
Be practical and say you are aware his current one is no longer the right one for him. Have a look at all the nearby possibilities (state and independent, day and boarding) and make a shortlist of a few. Give notice to the current one (they'll waive the term notice fees) and spend the first week of next half term going and having a look.
Then be clear about new starts and so on - involve your son in choosing what will be the best school for him.

Best of luck...

whatsnewpussycatt · 22/10/2026 18:56

@Blueuggbootsexactly. I have recent experience of moving a child who had perfect behaviour and academic results. The private schools were clear that they would be making enquiries about past school behaviour and attainment, and even with this, would only be taking any child on for a trial period before making a final decision to accept them fully. Any slight issue and I think they would have declined. I’d be worried about this more than the holiday op.

LoafofSellotape · 22/10/2026 19:10

Pumpkinsaregrowingnicely · 21/10/2026 21:34

When my ds 14 went off the rails he took himself off to boxing club...
Best move ever...
Discipline...Discipline and focus..
He's 25 now and a fab man...

Yeah, MMA in this house,was fantastic for instilling discipline.

Absolutely don't cancel the holiday. You are focusing on the wrong thing.

bellocchild · 22/10/2026 19:15

Start taking him round local state schools: there won't be many with available space. But let him at least see what they're like. He might be quite happy. But do point out that a Russell Group university is unlikely.

jonesonscam · 22/10/2026 19:16

OP take a look at a condition called PDA. It could explain why your DC isn’t motivated like his brothers and also why punishments have no effect.

Btw the following: rule breaking, aggression, highly visible to teachers, impaired impulse control (alcohol, vapes), explosive outbursts, reactive anger and oppositional tendency are all textbook ADHD traits. Just because they were never a problem for YOU before doesn’t mean they weren’t there. And puberty can heighten things too - which fits with your son’s timeline.

Worth exploring, no?

Orlastuff · 22/10/2026 19:18

150 quid a month pocket money for an unruly 14 year old...
You're kidding me on....

momtoboys · 22/10/2026 19:19

Where does he get money to go to another town to see his mates? I would cut him off COMPLETELY from any electronics or money. If he starts stealing then a natural consequence is involvement with LE. He's 14. You are the grownup. You can't MAKE him do anything but you sure can make it difficult for him to do what he wants.

PoliteSquid · 22/10/2026 19:21

Hankunamatata · 21/10/2026 21:24

No I wouldn't cancel holiday

I would be removing every single electronic device he owns and access to any money.

Id be moving schools ASAP. Private may not be his best option. He doesnt have to go to uni. Talk apprenticeship with him. Perhaps more hands on btec may suit him better and enagage him.

And find him a hobby

All of this!

One thing to keep in mind - a crappy school record will not go down well with employers offering apprenticeships!!

ChillingWithMySnowmies · 22/10/2026 19:22

How on earth does a 14yo from Warwick end up in birmingham or coventry and their parents not even know they're there?

Also.. if you've taken his controller, his money, his phone, and not replaced his guitar, and grounded him, what does he have left as incentive to behave for? You've stripped him of everything.

PoliteSquid · 22/10/2026 19:31

Kids like him in safe little towns like Warwick are absolute prime candidates for being recruited into county lines. With “friends” in large cities priming him with drink and vapes that would be my first thought. Especially as you’ve removed his allowance and his phone etc. His “friends” can use that for further grooming by offering the chance to earn sone cash, get a new phone….

Take him away on holiday - it’s safer than staying home!

Bexisdaft · 22/10/2026 19:42

If he doesn’t go…. How do you envisage this week going? He’ll be grounded?

EarringsandLipstick · 22/10/2026 19:44

Highfivemum · 22/10/2026 18:28

It wasn’t meant to criticise and I do apologise if it sounded that why. I was just asking where the money comes from etc. my kids only get pocket money as a reward. It is not a regularly occurrence. If they are polite and help their siblings then they get it. Any rudeness or backchat and they don’t. Always been like that. As I said it worked for my family but as I said it may not for every family.

No problem! Thanks for clarifying.

My kids get pocket money regularly, linked to jobs. As they get older, they are expected to work too, so they’ve money for the bigger things, certain clothes or concerts.

I’ve rarely taken away their pocket money for poor behaviour, but would if tasks aren’t done. I agree if it was going on vapes or alcohol I’d limit it.

But as a corrective measure I feel it has limited benefit. Again it’s all linked with what’s behind the behaviour. If you had ordinarily polite kids, then occasionally taking their money because of incidents of poor behaviour in the family might work, but I can’t see it resolving bigger problems like with OP’s DC.

CountryMouse22 · 22/10/2026 19:44

Pumpkinsaregrowingnicely · 21/10/2026 21:36

Ds also got permanently excluded and sent to a PRU ..

Didn't they used to be called 'Approved Schools'?! Or Borstal? I am living in the past though.

Pinadaqx2 · 22/10/2026 19:47

CountryMouse22 · 22/10/2026 19:44

Didn't they used to be called 'Approved Schools'?! Or Borstal? I am living in the past though.

Gosh Borstal is my father's era! Hes 60s BTW.

Ohhelpwhatnow · 22/10/2026 19:47

Cancelling the holiday won't bother DS, it's unfair on the rest of you.

RetiredFromExplaining · 22/10/2026 20:08

It seems the only thing you haven’t tried is ignoring the bad behaviour and focusing on the good. Maybe praising him for being polite or respectful, or saying it’s great that you’re really good at gaming. Show an interest in what he does do - tell me about this game, why is it good, what do you have to do? Why do you like it. Don’t use it as an excuse to discuss his behaviour, just get into his world.

Take him on holiday, praise him for behaving and enjoying time with family and his brothers. Ignore him if stays in bed late and say, so lovely to see you when he does get up with. I snarky remarks or tone. Show that you care about him. Love the child, not the behaviour. Say he’s a good kid and the type of lad who is thoughtful and considerate or other good behaviour when he demonstrates it.

Since nothing else has worked, you may as well try this because you have nothing to lose.

SylvanMoon · 22/10/2026 20:13

Perhaps on this trip you, your DH and your grown sons can stage some sort of "intervention" with this troubled DS. As you'll be out of an environment he's comfortable in exploiting, it might prove to be somewhat calming. If you and your other sons can help him in a non-threatening way to consider what he's setting his future up to be, and how his actions are impacting on others he might at least be able to hear what you're saying. I know you said that one of your sons tried previously to talk to him and he told him to "mind his own business". But if you make his behaviour a whole family concern, it might be more effective than just you and your DH dealing with him.