Jewish people have to take security very seriously in schools here.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c623d7z1rxg5o

Antisemitism here in the UK is appalling.

I was once a 'Grren' no more due to the hatred Antisemitism in the party.

I mentioned in my previous post that my friend and I used to be neighbours. About 20 or so years ago, I was at her house and the night before there had been a TV programme about Auschwitz. I asked if she’d watched it and she said she didn’t need to. We spoke a bit about that and I’ll always remember her saying that if that happened now I would wake up one morning and there would be two houses either side of mine on our short street which would be empty. We were also friendly with the other Jewish family.

As I was thinking, but we would take you in, we would hide you, we would keep you safe - she looked at me and said, and if you had tried to help us there would be three empty houses.

There is something bizarre going on in that people just don’t or can’t or won’t see the parallels between what is happening now and what happened in the 1930s and 40s. I wonder - did they think that if it happened again the perpetrators would look the same? Are they on the look out for someone who looks like Hitler, for the SS, the Hitler youth, dreams of an Aryan race? Are they so stupid that they don’t recognise evil when all it has done is change its outward appearance?

All these useful idiots on the hate marches - with their scarfs and their flags and their badges! How can they not see it?!

With your permission, Thistle, I will c&p that ready for the next person who crosses my path and claims that antisemitism in the UK is 'because Netanyahu' or 'because Gaza'

The first meeting was about how important it was to stand by the students protesting at graduations as it was a huge EDI issue and we need to support our minority students.
And that is appalling. Graduations are NOT the place for political grandstanding. There was a load of it at one of my DC's graduations recently, and I felt incredibly uncomfortable - and I'm not even Jewish.

Also, people on this thread talking about 'genocide' don't understand urban warfare. It's brutal, it's horrific, the death rate of civilians is horrendous. When Berlin fell at the end of WWII, the fighting lasted about 2 and a half weeks, and over 100,000 civilians died. That is what urban warfare looks like.

If you use the term genocide for urban warfare in Gaza (against a foe embedded amongst civilians and blatantly using civilian infrastructure), what word do you have left for what happened to the Tutsis, or the Armenians, or European Jews, when entire communities were wiped off the map, and the vast majority of the population was killed?

The Nazis were convinced by their cause too, they thought they were in the right, that they were benefitting humanity by ridding the wolrd of the evil Jews. That's why even when they were losing the war, they still put resources and manpower into murdering the Hungarian Jews in 1944.
The Free Palestine cult are convinced that "Zionists" (the cult word for Jews who haven't atoned for their sin of being Jewish) are the enemy of humanity. That's why they dont' see it. THey are 100% convinced they are in the right. Like the Nazis.

Which is how, according to some lunatics, you can 'know' that October 7th was allowed by the Israeli government, and that antisemitic attacks are all 'false flags'.

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My blonde, blue-eyed sibling was driving into London with their partner on that 7 Oct. They saw celebrations in West London (Acton-ish) and parked up to see what was going on. It was, apparently, a lovely, street party atmosphere. Someone joyfully offered them Turkish Delight.

Then they heard the word Yahud. They calmly returned to their car, still smiling and nodding at the people partying around them. They drove away and turned on the radio.

The fact they need what is essentially airport security at Auschwitz tells you all you need to know. Jews are never and have never been safe from hatred.

None of these awful experiences will make any difference to the but Gaza Genocide brigade. They have been swept up in a cult, whose sole purpose is so entrenched into the hearts and minds of one culture. These idiots think they are doing the right thing because they've been made to think this is a one way street. Yes they will acknowledge 7/10 with a but. You can't reason with them because Free Palestine has been sold as the catchy phrase, when behind it is a simple intention that's got naff all to do with finding a solution for both parties; one party, yes. I'm glad the reality is different away from MN, because many rational people see the common denominator for what it is.

You mean the ones who don't claim that everyone was killed by the Israeli army and that Hamas were humanitarians only trying to help and taking the hostages to safety?

Look at the Russian airport incident in the aftermath of 7/10. That was when the reality should have kicked in. So called anti Israel protestors demanding to see the identity of travellers.

Like Gaza, they'd never heard of the word Zionism before. Now, they are experts on it. They know as much about the ins and outs of Zionism as they do genocide.

Plus the rapid co-opting of the term "genocide", very controversial. It's deliberately using a word which describes the Holocaust. It's to undermine the Jewish community and any defence of Israel.

Zionist dog is one insullt you will hear very often. There's a clue in the one word but the useful idiots won't see it.

I sadly think this quote is appropriate for these times. The types of people ‘they’ are coming for has changed, except for those who are Jewish, who are still being targeted.

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

Friedrich Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller
a German theologian and Lutheran pastor. He opposed the Nazi regime during the late 1930s, and was sent to a concentration camp for his affiliation with the Confessing Church and his opposition to state involvement in Church.

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Yet these marchers think they are the good guys. Their spreading hatred to them is ok.

That is disgusting. That there were celebrations in the UK, when October 7th attack was heard about is completely ignored or perhaps encouraged the marchers. I avoid people who chant in the streets their slogans, they are cult like in action and beliefs

Niemöller initially supported the Nazis, and it was only when they attacked the Church that he began to oppose them. It took a concentration camp to make him see the extent of his folly and complicity.

People talking about how the hate march lot and people on social media don't see the similarities between the way Hitler manipulated the public abd the pal cause does are missing a simple fact.

Most the people involved think Hitler was right. They do see the similarities but agree with the evil Jews narrative. They think what they are doing is justified and what he did whilst horrible was done because Jewish people needed to be stopped etc

I'm beginning to think this too, given some of the marchers views on Israel. Palestinians can do no wrong. Hamas are Palestinians. They are husbands, fathers, brothers or sons.

I've seen a lot of posters use the term 'useful idiots' and I think this is very apt. You get the outright antisemites who may or may not deny it, depending on whether it is convenient for them, but I think there are also huge numbers of people who are genuinely upset at the accusations they may be antisemitic. They think they're fighting for justice but so completely caught up in conspiracy theories and propaganda that they have no idea they're being massive patsies.
I've been trying to patient with those people when I come across them because I think a lot of them simply don't hear anything outside of their political bubbles. They're always surprised when I disagree, no matter how politely.
But it is increasingly hard because what I really want to say is "Don't be so bloody stupid"
Useful idiots, indeed.

At least twice on the CITME board I've had to correct posters who claim that Israel has ruled Gaza since 1948, and that the Israelis control the Rafah crossing.
Basic ignorance.

I know I’m wasting my time here, but anyway, I’ll say it. Every home in Israel has access to a shelter or safe room. The iron dome is the first only defensive weapon ever created. Thousands of rockets have been fired into densely populated civilian towns in Israel and the only reason it’s not a complete wasteland of rubble and bodies is the iron dome and the availability of safe rooms.
When Hamas did Oct 7 they knew with certainty what Israel’s response would be. So tell me, why did they not permit their civilians to shelter in the hundreds of miles of underground tunnels they built? Why did they not build shelters? Why did they deliberately put civilians in danger rather than protect them?
Israel, Gaza, Ukraine, everywhere.. the government is responsible for civilian safety. If you’re going to start (or restart if you like) a war, then prepare your infrastructure in order to minimise civilian deaths.
Whichever way people are trying to spin all this, they’ll never understand the sheer horror that is Hamas.
I’ve got friends with sons in the IDF. They’re proud that their children are defending Israel and the Jews and ensuring that another Holocaust never happens. Anyone who supports Palestinians should be looking to ousting Hamas and encouraging the PA to step in and do something.
Israel exists. As it should. Every accusation you throw there’s a valid answer, but that won’t matter because we are dealing with DARVO at its very essence.

I had a brief interaction recently with someone who was coming out with some of the usual pro-Pali talking points and I referred to October 7th. And that person said to me, “What happened on October 7th?” That date genuinely meant nothing to them.

Oh ffs. I'm disgusted but sadly not surprised.

I’ve never been more of a Zionist in my life and I was born in Israel (to American parents who were only there temporarily so am only technically Israeli). My university union is calling for a ‘end of Zionism in all forms on and off campus’ and I both don’t understand what that means and also very much understand it means they don’t want me around.

Well it's hardly promoting a peaceful solution, is it? I'd be tempted to ask them if they think the USA has a right to exist, or Pakistan, or Jordan.