AiBU to get fed up of people running our schools down.

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I get that not every school is perfect and people have specific and individual issues with this or that. However, every thread on education seems to take it for granted that our system is dreadful. In the 3 big global rankings we are currently placed 4th, 6th, and 16th. We are in the top 10 for all 3 subjects compared by PISA scores. To me that suggests that we actually have a pretty decent system.

We also have 4 of the top 10 universities and are ranked 2nd for research quality in higher education.

Links provided so that you can see the data yourself

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/education-rankings-by-country

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-countries-for-education

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-subject-rankings/education-training

Thanks for admitting it.

For admitting what? I think your posts are party led and the pp education led.

No need for a personal attack. But your agenda is now clear. Thanks.

I don’t care what you think tbh.

Sounds great. No need to quote if so as you did first below.

Good but no need to tell me how I use MN is wrong. Hopefully you won't reply to me anymore, though I doubt you are capable of just letting things go considering you inserted yourself into a conversation about a country you know nothing about.

Great you won’t reply I’m sure. But no you can’t tell me not to feel for someone on here. Especially wrt education.

Told you 😂😂😂😂

Told you 😬😂

You have a problem. Last reply to you.

Good luck in any case! Even if you n/c you’ll be noticed by the sounds of it.

Ha at below. Phew good to hear it.

Depends what outcomes matter to you. Where do we rank in terms of young people’s mental health?

I don't think that is primarily down to schools.

Parents are the problem imo.

I do.

We will need to disagree then. I don't feel that schools are primarily there to care for mental health. They are there to teach and give opportunities to students.

Parents are there to love, build resilience, support and help children.

mental health professionals are there if things are going wrong.

Maybe this is why we are having such a problem if schools are expected to do all of these things.

I suppose the question is, where did we rank a decade ago or two decades ago? 50 years? whilst we might have high results, does it also measure the kids that come out at the bottom end with notho5?

so schools should not solve all the MH issues of kids regardless of where the problem lies, howucj the parents engage etc? I'm addition to everything else? I'm curious where you think the staffing, money and time comes from, let alone the expectations given this expectation is fairly modern

Entirely agree with this.

Schools should be there to educate, parent should be there to parent, and a big part of parenting is giving kids the framework to work it out for themselves. That should mean cooking and cleaning from being a toddler, entirely unsupervised activities with other kids, running basic errands alone at 7/8/9 (like walking to the shop). Children absolutely do need enrichment outside of school, but that’s not being thrust into 3 school like clubs and carefully curated supervised activities at home, interspersed with the odd hour of screen time.

Have you read The Anxious Generation? It’s eye opening to the disservice we are doing to our children at the moment. The irony that kids are safer now on the streets than they have probably ever been, but we insist on keeping them indoors under a watchful eye that can’t actually see what their much more dangerous screens are doing is terrifying. And it’s a societal problem, not any individual parent getting it wrong.

I didn't say cook WITH their kids. I said allow their children to cook. By 10 I could cook a simple family meal and was expected to do so - not frequently, but often enough to keep it as a skill. And with minimal supervision. These days, society would consider than almost neglectful. My 10yo can't quite yet make a Bolognese but isn't far off and lots of my friends with same age kids are astounded at it "won't he burn himself/ burn the house down" etc. My 7yo regularly chops veg for the meals we make and did once cut herself and need stitches - the nurse tried to make me feel bad for allowing her to use a knife, but if she never uses one, she'll never learn - kids don't get get to 18 and magically know how to do adult stuff.

When I worked in children's services we absolutely did get referrals for cuts and burns from normal day to day activities because people have totally lost sight of what children are capable of. People see "cooking with kids" as baking cakes and decorating biscuits.

Yes I have! Great book and we follow some principles of it, but as you say, it's a societal level issue and hard to implement stuff when the societal infrastructure (i.e. other kids allowed to do the same stuff) makes it hard.

Schools are decreasingly giving opportunities to children though as focus is increasingly on core subjects and school trips, other subjects and opportunities are vanishing.

Like it or not. Those much despised exam results are what give opportunities. You can barely get a job without them.

Older ones are doing well. I have noticed big changes in schooling from eldest (28) through to youngest (8) who has unidentified difficulties. Assesment has been done (p4) after regular contact with school. I was told about scribes and extra supporr for exams in HS 🤔???
My understanding is primary school education is the foundations for all future learning!!
They no longer get homework after p1 and this is true of many of our primaries.
How are we, as parents meant to best support our dc if we have no idea where they are at, in the classroom.
This is just my personal experience but looking at the stats is shameful, there are many kids being failed.

I don’t see this at all. Every other week my kids has a dress up day, or special project, or history trip at school. Much better choice of clubs, forest school. In secondary they’ve expanded the subjects available in virtually every school for GCSE and A-level.

I just think we’ve got ourselves into such a state moaning and feeling hard done by that nothing will be enough really