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PIP isn't fit for purpose

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Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:01

I made this comment on another thread and thought I'd start a separate thread purely on this topic. This is all from my own personal experience rather than from reading/hearing anything, I'm only going off what I see day to day.
The people I know who claim PIP do not need it financially. One works full time and earns more than me (and I'm not at imminent risk of homelessness or starvation) and the young people I know literally tell me things like their PIP's come in so they're off to get a new tattoo, which they then do. They appear to have much more disposable income than me.
These are all people who can function in society by the way and as far as I can see, all PIP does is give them extra spending money, which I'm sure we'd all like.

I'm aware this won't be the case for everyone who recieves PIP but it is for the people I come into regular contact with. Which is why it needs reloooking at so it only goes to those who actually need the money for a specific purpose related to their disability.

We're not in a position as a society where we can afford to give people money who do not actually need it.
Things like this should be means tested, both in terms of whether people have enough income to live a decent life without additional benefits and in terms of what the money is actually going to be used for.
PIP is not fit for purpose and needs scrapping or totally changing.

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Passaggressfedup · 14/10/2026 13:52

I am stunned at those who think PIP is given out freely and that claimants can somehow fake a disability
And yet it happens. You just to find out about the cases that do make it to court. People who've claimed for years that they can't walk at all who are filmed by investigators dancing the evening away. Yet these people gave been assessed and reassessed and somehow managed to convince the system of their lies.

walrushurricane · 14/10/2026 13:53

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 13:09

These threads are exhausting. Why can’t the genuine claimants understand there are some out there who exaggerate their symptoms ? My own sister is a genuine claimant, with a lifelong mental disability, she will never ever live alone, be able to bathe herself, prepare food for herself, nothing independent of my mum. But there ARE people claiming with high functioning asd/adhd who are very well capable of doing these things but saying they CAN’T. It’s very very naive of people to think those of us who know people who fucking brag about this are all lying.

I agree as i also know someone who does this. I'm not sure what the solution is though. It must be very hard to assess whether someone is lying.

AnonyMumAuDHD · 14/10/2026 13:53

5128gap · 14/10/2026 13:19

The people enthusiastic about taking away disability benefits want to do this so we cut the welfare bill which they believe will lead to them paying less tax.
There would be zero appetite amongst this group for using the savings to pay more to other people on benefits.
In fact, once the benefits had been removed from those they assess as insufficiently disabled, their attention would swiftly turn to those sufficiently disabled, but insufficiently poor. As is the OPs argument.
Some try to veil their anti welfare rhetoric by feigning concern for the 'genuine' (as oppose to 'the scroungers') But given there is no evidence whatsoever that sorts claimants into these groups, other than their own anecdotes about healthy people scamming the system, and that they typically show a shocking lack of understanding of either disability or the benefits system, I'm sceptical there is any higher motive here than wanting to take money away from people out of pure self interest.

You are free to think whatever you wish about my motives. I am just engaging in an online discussion forum as the parent of a significantly disabled young adult who can see that there needs to be a nuanced and rational discussion about the future funding and implementation of PIP, when successive governments have struggled with both.

My personal concern is that there is an over-reliance on PIP as the quick and easy solution to many claimants’ situations [after which the government can forget about them] when proper funding of the NHS, CAMHS/AdultCMHS, better social support services, additional SEN funding, new approaches in schools, better training and OT provision in workplace environments (I could go on) are really what’s needed.

5128gap · 14/10/2026 13:56

seahorsessky · 14/10/2026 13:43

I know quite a few people with severe disabilities like being deaf/blind/unable to walk who for some reason don't qualify (ok I didn't see their applications obviously, but I don't believe they're all lying) who spend a fortune on healthcare, so I'd like to see that made free for people who need it. I've seen a lot of cases where the NHS only supplies one type of thing (keeping vague as I'm not exposing friends who might be on here) but there is another type of, say, wheelchair, hearing aid etc that helps them much better and enables them to manage work/college etc.
If you made that sort of healthcare/tech free, then only those people who genuinely need it would claim (you could have checks to ensure they weren't selling them abroad, if that worries anyone, like them having to show their doctor at their check ups that they still had the device-all the people this might apply to said they'd be happy to do that instead of having to spend their own money on it), and tax money wouldn't be going on tattoos.

The only possible reason the people you know who are blind or unable to walk have been refused PIP is that they have filled the form in incorrectly or the assessor has made an error. They should seek advice from a welfare rights agency and appeal if within the time limit or reclaim. It can be more difficult for deaf people to demonstrate eligibility.
Which is interesting isn't it? Because we seem to have a case here of shrondinger's PIP. It is at once both impossible to claim by the severely disabled, and at the same time, handed out for the asking, and we don't know which until we know which argument we're trying to support.

walrushurricane · 14/10/2026 13:57

mamaof4losingmymind · 14/10/2026 13:33

It amazes me how many people on mumsnet has full access to someone else's medical records and finances. Nobody knows my full medical history or my finances just like they don't know the actual reality off my life and disabilities. The only people who even know im on pip are my consultants and cpn and they had to give evidence

You don't need to know someone's medical history though PIP doesn't work like that. It's based on what someone can or can't do.

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 13:57

walrushurricane · 14/10/2026 13:53

I agree as i also know someone who does this. I'm not sure what the solution is though. It must be very hard to assess whether someone is lying.

But you don’t know someone who does this, none of us do 🤷‍♀️ fucking Infuriates me how adamant people are this doesn’t happen.

edited to add - I don’t want benefits taken away btw, my sister needs it and is genuine as I’ve explained a couple of times on this thread, I claim DLA for my own child with asd. It’s the ones exaggerating their symptoms and making out they can’t do things when they bloody can, they’re the ones who get my back up.

TigerRag · 14/10/2026 13:57

Passaggressfedup · 14/10/2026 13:50

People choose to live in the north. I didn't choose to need a magnifying aid to read that needs charging. It's the only one that works for me. A lot of the aids I use either need batteries or electricity
This is such an easy statement to make. My friend, who is from the South, had to move up North because that's where his ex has decided to move and that's the only way he can continue to see his kids regularly. A choice?

I didn't choose to need immunology therapy for the next three years as the last resort to treat my severe allergy. The alternative is to live with constant cold like symptoms.

I'm not denying your position, just that other people also have to accept extra costs through no choice of theirs and don't get compensation.

But you are comparing 2 totally different things

Laptopbop · 14/10/2026 13:58

OhMyGodSusan · 14/10/2026 09:14

Every poster who comes here says the exact same thing. I heard this about a pip claimant it's true but I cannot actually prove it. Just lies to fuel the hate. People like you are just miserable and need to stop with this now. Its getting out of hand targeting the disabled.

No it’s not getting at the disabled. It’s frustration at the fact that so many people are claiming allowances when they really shouldn’t be. My friend gets it because her daughter has autism - she knew how to fill in the form so it looked like she couldn’t work and had to care for her DD.

Her DD will claim it because ‘my autism/disabilty stops me working’ It doesn’t but for her a benefit that provides her with enough money to buy vapes and alcohol is far more attractive than the idea of going to work.

And so the cycle continues….

Very few people want to deny benefits to those who truly need them, the problem is that the number of people claiming benefits because of their disability is growing and growing and many of them are simply not so disabled that they can’t work, they just don’t want to.

Its immoral but the genie is out of the bottle and it’s going to be a hard one to put back in

DaringlyDizzy · 14/10/2026 13:58

I get PIP. It covers private medication I could not get on the NHS.
I think reforms for PIP are needed - I know someone who claims it for anxiety - yet he travels, works in a gym and OPENLY snorts his PIP payment in one weekend and boasts about how easy it is to fiddle the system. Reported and nothing comes from it

Tears0fTheMushroom · 14/10/2026 13:58

Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:16

I don't hate the disabled, I think PIP is given out too freely to people who don't necessarily need it. I've been told I could claim PIP myself but as I can manage financially, I won't.

Riiiiiight!

  1. OP knows several people on PIP who DEFINITELY don't need it and waste the money on tattoos because they DEFINITELY told your nosy, judgemental arse all about it.
  1. OP could be claiming PIP herself but is too virtuous to do so because "she doesn't need the money"

Are we getting close to Benefits Bashing Thread BINGO yet?

Same shit different day

Passaggressfedup · 14/10/2026 13:59

It must be very hard to assess whether someone is lying
It is, that's the problem. The person who I know lied without a doubt was claiming couldn't walk for x distance was taking her dog for a walk, every single morning and evening for 20 minutes.

It started when they were in pain due to extra weight on their knees. They then had knee surgery on both knees. That's when she was able to do all the walks, but she continued to claim to her GP and consultant that she was still in too much pain and pup continued to flow.

walrushurricane · 14/10/2026 13:59

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 13:57

But you don’t know someone who does this, none of us do 🤷‍♀️ fucking Infuriates me how adamant people are this doesn’t happen.

edited to add - I don’t want benefits taken away btw, my sister needs it and is genuine as I’ve explained a couple of times on this thread, I claim DLA for my own child with asd. It’s the ones exaggerating their symptoms and making out they can’t do things when they bloody can, they’re the ones who get my back up.

Edited

I do know someone who did this.

Lemieux7 · 14/10/2026 14:00

Goady thread full of rubbish.

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 14:01

DaringlyDizzy · 14/10/2026 13:58

I get PIP. It covers private medication I could not get on the NHS.
I think reforms for PIP are needed - I know someone who claims it for anxiety - yet he travels, works in a gym and OPENLY snorts his PIP payment in one weekend and boasts about how easy it is to fiddle the system. Reported and nothing comes from it

I would like to see those who think this doesn’t happen explain how this man’s coke habit helps with his mental health? Oh he needs to let his hair down sometimes !!

5128gap · 14/10/2026 14:01

AnonyMumAuDHD · 14/10/2026 13:53

You are free to think whatever you wish about my motives. I am just engaging in an online discussion forum as the parent of a significantly disabled young adult who can see that there needs to be a nuanced and rational discussion about the future funding and implementation of PIP, when successive governments have struggled with both.

My personal concern is that there is an over-reliance on PIP as the quick and easy solution to many claimants’ situations [after which the government can forget about them] when proper funding of the NHS, CAMHS/AdultCMHS, better social support services, additional SEN funding, new approaches in schools, better training and OT provision in workplace environments (I could go on) are really what’s needed.

I'm not questioning your motives specifically. Merely pointing out that the push to reform PIP isn't motivated by a desire to pay more in benefits to anybody, regardless of need. Its to cut welfare not redistribute it.

Passaggressfedup · 14/10/2026 14:01

But you are comparing 2 totally different things
I'm comparing different circumstances where people are faced with higher costs to meet their needs through no fault of theirs. So very valid.

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 14:02

walrushurricane · 14/10/2026 13:59

I do know someone who did this.

Yes I believe you, I was being sarcastic.

Kirbert2 · 14/10/2026 14:02

ghostyslovesheets · 14/10/2026 13:49

My son’s friends mun claims UC and PIP for all three of her children. I talk to her at school gates regularly. She is very open about her situation. They have anxiety and adhd. All of the kids are in mainstream schools. She doesn’t work. They live in a new build large council house. They have a brand new motability SUV (she said it was from that scheme). They went on a Disney cruise last year for two weeks and this year when to Spain (pics on Facebook). Her kids do expensive activities

A women I don’t like claims legitimate benefits she is entitled to - UC, CB and DL for her 3 ND children. They attend mainstream schools ( with a lot of support in school and at home and probably due to funding and the lack of specialist provision), They live in social housing that they, like everyone, are entitled to apply for and it is the right size as to not be over crowded, sadly she can’t get a mortgage due to her care responsibilities meaning she can’t work, they have a car - big enough for the growing kids which SHE pays for from the DLA they receive, she is limited by rules on the car she can buy though this, they have been on holiday and her children take part in a range of activities- which is nice because it must be stressful at home and ND children often need routine and activities to manage.

see you have no idea if her every morning and evening is a constant battle dealing with meltdowns, overwhelm, sleeplessness, night waking. Her days taken up with medical apt, school meetings, further assessments, therapy for each child.

All you see is ‘nice house, car, holiday’ and think ‘how dare she’

Its concerning how the blame is shifting, first it was ‘illegals’, now it’s those with disabilities… who’s next?

Yep.

I get high rate DLA for my son and he attends mainstream school with a lot of support. He wouldn't stand a chance of getting a place in specialist provision.

ilovesooty · 14/10/2026 14:03

Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 10:34

Here's how one conversation roughly went between me and a 21 year old:
Me: "Are you up to much this weekend?"
Them: "I'm off to get a new tattoo because I got paid today"
Me: "Oh I didn't know you had a job. Where do you work?"
Them: "No, I mean my PIP's been paid".
So it's not about people showing me their bank statements or giving me a full breakdown of their income and outgoings, it's about casual conversations such as these.
That's just one example of one conversation I've had. There's nothing I can do to prove it happened but I was there and it did!

Fancy working in a role like this and repeating conversations with clients on social media.

Passaggressfedup · 14/10/2026 14:03

Merely pointing out that the push to reform PIP isn't motivated by a desire to pay more in benefits to anybody, regardless of need. Its to cut welfare not redistribute it
I think it's a bit of both.

RetiredFromExplaining · 14/10/2026 14:05

Mossyfox · 14/10/2026 13:43

The whole point is that it shouldn't be taking 100 hours. The whole assessment procedure is totally not fit for purpose imho.

Edited

I agree it is not fit for purpose and it shouldn’t have taken so long to appeal. It took 10 days for the decision letter to reach us and when we asked for the assessment report (which I believe should be sent automatically with the decision letter), we had to wait two weeks for it not to arrive before we could ask for it again, and that took another week to arrive, when the “deadline” for mandatory reconsideration is four weeks - it isn’t, it’s actually a year in the regulations, but they don’t tell claimants that, and who apart from pedants like me is going to actually read the regulations?

Then the assessment report was utterly awful and wrong. So when they said that because she goes to a social group once every few months she could therefore cook (she is literally a danger in the kitchen, including burning me), it has to be explained why this isn’t true, for each activity.

The fact they didn’t even apply the legal test is disgusting and had to be specified, so I had to read, understand and quote the regulations.

Then I had to find the legal precedents from the appeal tribunal that say assuming from one activity that a claimant can do another is specifically ruled out. I had to read that and quote it, (and other precedents), and quote from her application and the assessment transcript because there is more success when claimants make the appeal process easier for the decision maker. They are not going to go back and read the application or listen to the recording of the assessment, or read the regulations or legal precedents. So by quoting from them I make their decision easier to make.

And then I laid out what the decision should have been for each of the activities (and she qualifies for each one) with the points she should have been awarded. Again, so they can just agree rather than do any actual thinking for themselves.

Then I had to take my DSD through the entire document because she has a right to know what is being said about her.

That took a long time because she gets very fatigued and also has a short-term auditory memory processing disability so she can instantly forget what has just been said. So it has to be repeated multiple times until she understands it.

Frankly the discharge report from birth recording her brain injuries and prematurity and the SEN reports from childhood explaining her global development delay, amd taking six years longer than usual to complete her education ought to be sufficient to award it to her without anything else.

She has been so upset about this process because, as she said, it’s focusing on what she can’t do, when we have spent the last 10 years trying to focus on what she can do.

There is also no guarantee that the Mandatory Reconsideration will be successful and we’ll have to go to tribunal, which will take more time.

I welcome the Timms review because it should help claimants like her, but in the meantime being told that PIP is really easy to get and people are faking it is utterly insulting.

Redsofacushionsandsnacks · 14/10/2026 14:05

OhMyGodSusan · 14/10/2026 09:32

Yes but I am right about the cars aren't I? Notice how you ignored that bit because you can't aruge it.

Since only approximately 16% of PIP claimants are in any kind of work, then no you are not “right about the cars”. If only 16% work, the majority of claimants are not using said PIP to get to work, are they?
That said, it also makes it a pointless exercise to means test it. The cost would outweigh any savings.

Myremoteislost · 14/10/2026 14:06

It's so hard to get PIP! My DSIS has fibro and can barely lift her own head up some days, and on the days she can move she's rattling with painkillers and wincing and groaning as she walks. She didn't qualify for anything at all, even though she is clinging on to work by a thread and can barely afford to eat. People who qualify must obviously need it as the process to get it is brutal.

PIPreceiver · 14/10/2026 14:07

And like myself, many people often go to work suffering with their conditions, and also suffer with horrible side effects from medications, affecting jobs and driving.

Would also love the luxury of a decent car but would much prefer my health back without a doubt.

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 14:07

ilovesooty · 14/10/2026 14:03

Fancy working in a role like this and repeating conversations with clients on social media.

Oh please it’s anonymous.

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