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Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:01

I made this comment on another thread and thought I'd start a separate thread purely on this topic. This is all from my own personal experience rather than from reading/hearing anything, I'm only going off what I see day to day.
The people I know who claim PIP do not need it financially. One works full time and earns more than me (and I'm not at imminent risk of homelessness or starvation) and the young people I know literally tell me things like their PIP's come in so they're off to get a new tattoo, which they then do. They appear to have much more disposable income than me.
These are all people who can function in society by the way and as far as I can see, all PIP does is give them extra spending money, which I'm sure we'd all like.

I'm aware this won't be the case for everyone who recieves PIP but it is for the people I come into regular contact with. Which is why it needs reloooking at so it only goes to those who actually need the money for a specific purpose related to their disability.

We're not in a position as a society where we can afford to give people money who do not actually need it.
Things like this should be means tested, both in terms of whether people have enough income to live a decent life without additional benefits and in terms of what the money is actually going to be used for.
PIP is not fit for purpose and needs scrapping or totally changing.

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HappySonHappyMum · 14/10/2026 13:14

My DH has PIP - it was NOT easy to claim for and took a lot of complicated form filling, medical evidence from the doctors and specialists he has appointments with to prove it was needed and a one on one interview. We only claimed for it because he has medical conditions and mobility issues that will never improve and he needed a Blue Badge. Where we live you don't qualify for a Blue Badge without it. He works full time - in a job where he doesn't need to be mobile - so you could say that he doesn't 'need' it but it does help with all the expensive medication and devices he requires, the extra electric we use because of the medical devices that need to be running and the everyday things that you can't access unless you can pay for them. My DH would happily swap his medical conditions and PIP with you if you fancy it!

JaceLancs · 14/10/2026 13:14

Not this one again!
I work FT and earn above the average income - without the help from PIP I probably would not be able to do so
I also have had help from Access to Work funding
If I compare my finances to someone else in my job role with same income and all other circumstances the same - why should I be much worse off than them ie the person without the disability due to the costs of my disability
Some examples:
higher gas and electric
need to take taxis more often
pay more to park as can’t walk that bit further - my colleagues pay £3 a day parking, mine is £9.50 a day
More expensive food due to allergies and inability to prepare meals from scratch
Wear my clothes out more frequently due to damage and constant washing
Need to purchase other aids not supplied by NHS
Need to purchase more OTC meds
Used to have to pay an annual prescription charge - now 60+ so that’s one saving
Private therapy including physio and hydrotherapy
I also have acupuncture, remedial massage etc
I have to pay for services I am physically incapable of doing such as ironing, cleaning, gardening - often I can’t afford to so I have to live in poorer circumstances than that same person with the disability
please don’t start about voucher schemes, claiming it back, keeping receipts etc - I would have to pay for a PA on top of the help I get from my family to manage my day to day needs
I can’t cut my toe nails, do foot care or some weeks wash my hair so have to pay someone to
Lots of others I’m sure I’ve forgotten - as I block it out it’s too depressing

dizzydizzydizzy · 14/10/2026 13:15

Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:16

I don't hate the disabled, I think PIP is given out too freely to people who don't necessarily need it. I've been told I could claim PIP myself but as I can manage financially, I won't.

You think PIP is given out too freely!!!! The forms are so difficult to fill in that my GP told me not to
do them without professional help - even though I am educated to degree level. The application process is incredibly lengthy and stressful.

i had to apply 3 times. The first time, I was so stressed and daunted by the size of the form, that I didn’t complete it, the second time they didn’t believe my difficulties, even though I sent them all my hospital letters plus a couple of letters of support from colleagues and relatives describing my difficulties. The third time they did believe me because I got several more letters of support plus I had a more sympathetic assessor.

Added to that, around 2/3 of those who go to (an independent) tribunal to appeal a PIP refusal , win their case —— this will be because the DWP actually does not give PIP out freely enough.

BugJuice · 14/10/2026 13:16

While we’re at it, should we means test the state pension OP? My dad is minted, he spends half his life on holiday, he doesn’t need it 🤷🏻‍♀️

roaringdragon · 14/10/2026 13:16

If you cut DLA/PIP, you will increase costs to the state in other areas. For example, more will turn to hospital transport or the low income HTCS, more parents will pursue transport to education placements, more will turn to social care packages, CHC funding and/or residential education placements, more parents with pursue further special educational provision (e.g. where they are paying for private physio but can’t afford it if DLA is cut so look to secure it in their DC’s EHCP when previously they didn’t bother), more carers will reach carer burnout and cost the NHS money, there will be more/longer admissions to hospitals for disabled people…

x2boys · 14/10/2026 13:16

Itsbeenalongtimeincoming · 14/10/2026 13:12

This is the porblem with the PIP system.

There are many people who need it, claim it and use it to help their lives. No problem at all.

There are people who don’t really need it, claim it and use it to fund their lives above their living.

My son’s friends mun claims UC and PIP for all three of her children. I talk to her at school gates regularly. She is very open about her situation. They have anxiety and adhd. All of the kids are in mainstream schools. She doesn’t work. They live in a new build large council house. They have a brand new motability SUV (she said it was from that scheme). They went on a Disney cruise last year for two weeks and this year when to Spain (pics on Facebook). Her kids do expensive activities.

Is my lifestyle better - yes so it’s not jealousy. But it sure doesn’t seem right.

It’s the people taking advantage not the ones who need it. I have this example aA I know this woman, she is very open about it and I soeak to her regularly- this isn’t an ‘I heard it from someone’.

How is she Clsiming PIP for her 3 kids?

HollaHolla · 14/10/2026 13:17

Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:55

You're purposely missing the entire point of my posts. I have no problem with someone claiming benefits who needs them. I will continue to express my opinion and it's not going to get me in trouble as it's a perfectly valid and reasonable one, whether it upsets you or not, which wasn't my intention by the way. If you think PIP isn't open to abuse then you're not living in the real world.

.... and you decide who NEEDS PIP, do you?

You know how hard it is to qualify? I get it, and although I earn decently, it goes towards paying for adaptations/help I need in the house, and my fortnightly physio. Who is to say that it's the £400 I get for ADP (Scottish equivalent of PIP) that pays for that? When you see me getting a takeaway, because I'm too sore and exhausted to stand and cook after a day in the office, do you judge me on that too? (Probably)

Your 'free speech' argument is just an excuse to bash disabled people. It's not a good look for you, OP.

ImmortalNowBabyDoll · 14/10/2026 13:17

Any benefit is going to have a few people who are clever at playing the system, but I don't think it's as easy as people think it is with PIP.

My SD, 17, has AuDHD and claims to have some physical issues which can't be diagnosed (I think she has health anxiety which her Mum has encouraged in her since being very young). She's doing well at school, works two jobs, has tons of hobbies, her own dog, and an active social life, volunteers and has done silver D of E.

When she turned 16, her Mum decided SD was going to apply for PIP. SD was adamant that AuDHD would "qualify" her for it and pointed to things like having a reminder on her phone to take her meds. She said she knew loads of people just like her who got it.

I felt like you, I thought it was outrageous that someone like her would get "free money". She openly said she planned to spend it on days out because she gets bored more than non-ADHD people!

I pre-judged the situation based on what she THOUGHT she could get. However, she got zero points.

So I think there's a lot of people talking about who CAN get it, which leads to a lot of people applying and a lot of people being quite annoyed about that, but it's not actually reflective of who DOES get it.

5128gap · 14/10/2026 13:19

AnonyMumAuDHD · 14/10/2026 12:57

As I said, I don’t have all the answers and we’re bouncing around ideas here. But people who genuinely cannot work due to severe permanent mental or physical disability or illness don’t ever receive Job Seekers Allowance and therefore don’t transition to UC with a requirement to seek work, do they? So they aren’t ‘unemployed’ so much as ‘unable to work’. As I understand it, many receive the maximum PIP allowance and other alternative benefits. They are also a tiny section of the claimant pool, and precisely the people PIP was designed for.

With fewer overall LT claimants of PIP and more people being supported back into work, there should in theory be scope to increase benefits for this smaller, much more vulnerable group, shouldn’t there?

The people enthusiastic about taking away disability benefits want to do this so we cut the welfare bill which they believe will lead to them paying less tax.
There would be zero appetite amongst this group for using the savings to pay more to other people on benefits.
In fact, once the benefits had been removed from those they assess as insufficiently disabled, their attention would swiftly turn to those sufficiently disabled, but insufficiently poor. As is the OPs argument.
Some try to veil their anti welfare rhetoric by feigning concern for the 'genuine' (as oppose to 'the scroungers') But given there is no evidence whatsoever that sorts claimants into these groups, other than their own anecdotes about healthy people scamming the system, and that they typically show a shocking lack of understanding of either disability or the benefits system, I'm sceptical there is any higher motive here than wanting to take money away from people out of pure self interest.

mamaof4losingmymind · 14/10/2026 13:20

ImmortalNowBabyDoll · 14/10/2026 13:17

Any benefit is going to have a few people who are clever at playing the system, but I don't think it's as easy as people think it is with PIP.

My SD, 17, has AuDHD and claims to have some physical issues which can't be diagnosed (I think she has health anxiety which her Mum has encouraged in her since being very young). She's doing well at school, works two jobs, has tons of hobbies, her own dog, and an active social life, volunteers and has done silver D of E.

When she turned 16, her Mum decided SD was going to apply for PIP. SD was adamant that AuDHD would "qualify" her for it and pointed to things like having a reminder on her phone to take her meds. She said she knew loads of people just like her who got it.

I felt like you, I thought it was outrageous that someone like her would get "free money". She openly said she planned to spend it on days out because she gets bored more than non-ADHD people!

I pre-judged the situation based on what she THOUGHT she could get. However, she got zero points.

So I think there's a lot of people talking about who CAN get it, which leads to a lot of people applying and a lot of people being quite annoyed about that, but it's not actually reflective of who DOES get it.

Ive been on multiple different benefits throughout my life and pip is definitely the hardest by far to get.

x2boys · 14/10/2026 13:20

squarecrow · 14/10/2026 13:13

My sister has severe schizophrenia. She has been hospitalised 6 times in the last 3 years, for periods of months at a time. She has to be injected with medication at the hospital or she will be taken in again. She receives PiP, when the paperwork is all kept in order by her social workers.

Anyone saying physical disabilities are more deserving think she’d be able to work along side you? If not, why not and what do you think constitutes a non-physical disability?

Agree it infuriates ne when people dismiss mental illness i used to be a mental health nurse scizophrenia can be very debilitating .

Itsbeenalongtimeincoming · 14/10/2026 13:21

mamaof4losingmymind · 14/10/2026 13:13

You have to be 16 to get pip so either shes lying or you are

What a strange reaction. She claims PIP and benefits for her children. Not lying at all - would you like me to direct you to her Facebook page where she lays it all out?

Sorry if I confused things but yes she gets it for her anxiety and ADHD.

Gilead · 14/10/2026 13:21

You're purposely missing the entire point of my posts. I have no problem with someone claiming benefits who needs them. I will continue to express my opinion and it's not going to get me in trouble as it's a perfectly valid and reasonable one, whether it upsets you or not, which wasn't my intention by the way. If you think PIP isn't open to abuse then you're not living in the real world.
and yet the fraud figures for PiP are zero…

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 13:22

ImmortalNowBabyDoll · 14/10/2026 13:17

Any benefit is going to have a few people who are clever at playing the system, but I don't think it's as easy as people think it is with PIP.

My SD, 17, has AuDHD and claims to have some physical issues which can't be diagnosed (I think she has health anxiety which her Mum has encouraged in her since being very young). She's doing well at school, works two jobs, has tons of hobbies, her own dog, and an active social life, volunteers and has done silver D of E.

When she turned 16, her Mum decided SD was going to apply for PIP. SD was adamant that AuDHD would "qualify" her for it and pointed to things like having a reminder on her phone to take her meds. She said she knew loads of people just like her who got it.

I felt like you, I thought it was outrageous that someone like her would get "free money". She openly said she planned to spend it on days out because she gets bored more than non-ADHD people!

I pre-judged the situation based on what she THOUGHT she could get. However, she got zero points.

So I think there's a lot of people talking about who CAN get it, which leads to a lot of people applying and a lot of people being quite annoyed about that, but it's not actually reflective of who DOES get it.

It’s funny you mention your dsd, sounds exactly the same as mine only difference is she did get it, they all talk about it with each other, the kids either adhd autism all know they’re entitled and do apply, and tell each other what to say, kids are crafty! Dsd bf coached dsd on what to say.

Crushed23 · 14/10/2026 13:22

MissConductUS · 14/10/2026 11:21

I usually stay off these threads because I'm not British and don't understand all the details of the various benefits being discussed. I agree that society should support people in genuine need. What I find surprising and hard to understand is why spending on these benefits has grown so dramatically in recent years. And it does seem to a lot of competent observers that it's not sustainable, but politically it seems impossible to do anything to restrain it. And why are disability claims so much higher in Britain than in other industrialized countries? I don't know how this ends, but it seems likely to be painful. This ran in the WSJ yesterday:

The Welfare State Is Crushing Britain - The soaring number of people on disability and sickness benefits is blowing up the country’s welfare bill and imperiling its long-term financial stability

A few excerpts:

Some seven million people—more than 10% of the population—now claim at least one or more sickness or disability benefits. The numbers are growing fastest among working-age people who should be powering the country’s economy, surging more than 60% in the past six years to 4.7 million from 2.9 million in 2019.

Not including healthcare, the country will spend more than £100 billion this year on all types of welfare benefits for the sick and disabled, about a third more than defense spending. The tab has surged by a quarter in just four years and is on course to hit £130 billion in the next four, according to the government’s fiscal forecasts.

Many of the newer disability claims are for mental-health issues like depression, anxiety and ADHD, which can be harder for the government to verify than a physical disability. Between 2017 and 2025, disability claims for cancer doubled. But benefits claims for all psychiatric issues surged fourfold.

One benefit, created to help those with disabilities be more mobile, allows people to give up part of their welfare cash handout in return for a new car lease every three years. It now accounts for around one in every seven new car sales in the U.K. Among those who got new cars last year: 40 people whose primary medical condition was tennis elbow, 50 with wheat intolerance and 320 with dyslexia, according to government figures.

The scale of the payout has become a scandal. No other western country has seen such a rise in disability claims. In the U.S., the number of people getting federal disability payments has fallen in the past 15 years. The most recent figures show some 10.6 million working-age people in the U.S. claimed one or both main Social Security programs for people with a disability, in a country with a population five times bigger than the U.K.

This is fascinating - thanks for posting!

SexyFrenchDepression · 14/10/2026 13:23

KermitsABadInfluence · 14/10/2026 09:13

I'll bet it is definitely true.

Theres nothing more that benefit claimants love than to divulge their exact finances to the nearest person, who then seems to come straight to MN to tell everyone.

I actually do think it could be true but for everyone 1 person like this there are hundreds who aren't like this.

I dod think PIP needs an overhaul, for example my friends who have to reapply regularly for their DC who have life long severe disabilities and learning difficulties. Or my own son who will struggle to live alone and keep a full time job down without us being there every day to get him up etc, or my friends DC who is autistic and could never safely live alone but because he maintained eye contact in his moat recent assessment and said he understood budgeting had it removed. He cannot get work other than charity work and probably never w8ll.

So not the overhaul OP is suggesting, and seems rather narrow minded about it.

Tri483 · 14/10/2026 13:23

Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:01

I made this comment on another thread and thought I'd start a separate thread purely on this topic. This is all from my own personal experience rather than from reading/hearing anything, I'm only going off what I see day to day.
The people I know who claim PIP do not need it financially. One works full time and earns more than me (and I'm not at imminent risk of homelessness or starvation) and the young people I know literally tell me things like their PIP's come in so they're off to get a new tattoo, which they then do. They appear to have much more disposable income than me.
These are all people who can function in society by the way and as far as I can see, all PIP does is give them extra spending money, which I'm sure we'd all like.

I'm aware this won't be the case for everyone who recieves PIP but it is for the people I come into regular contact with. Which is why it needs reloooking at so it only goes to those who actually need the money for a specific purpose related to their disability.

We're not in a position as a society where we can afford to give people money who do not actually need it.
Things like this should be means tested, both in terms of whether people have enough income to live a decent life without additional benefits and in terms of what the money is actually going to be used for.
PIP is not fit for purpose and needs scrapping or totally changing.

Says who? You? You’re talking nonsense, the few people you allege you know don’t speak for the country as a whole.

Kirbert2 · 14/10/2026 13:24

Itsbeenalongtimeincoming · 14/10/2026 13:21

What a strange reaction. She claims PIP and benefits for her children. Not lying at all - would you like me to direct you to her Facebook page where she lays it all out?

Sorry if I confused things but yes she gets it for her anxiety and ADHD.

DLA is for children under 16
PIP is for 16+

Passaggressfedup · 14/10/2026 13:24

Say you and your colleague and neighbour are on a very good wage. You do the exact same job.
You are able bodied so cycle 7 miles to work

But that's not realistic is it? How many non disabled people actually cycle to work? Probably less than 1%. Why? Because even though they are not disabled, they are not fit enough to do do do. Because it would take too long and wouldn't be able to work their hours along with all the responsibilities. Because it would be too dangerous. Because if suddenly , even 20% of non disabled people started cycling, the roads would be absolute mayhem.

It's toi simple and desigenuous to imply that the need for a car is that black and white.

mamaof4losingmymind · 14/10/2026 13:24

x2boys · 14/10/2026 13:20

Agree it infuriates ne when people dismiss mental illness i used to be a mental health nurse scizophrenia can be very debilitating .

Exactly i have multiple organ failure, mild brain damage and average 2 surgeries a year and take handfuls off pills every day I also have bpd, anxiety disorder and depression if some said I have a magic we can take away the physical health problems or mh problems I'd choose for them to take the mental illnesses away as its so debilitating and like torture

x2boys · 14/10/2026 13:24

Itsbeenalongtimeincoming · 14/10/2026 13:21

What a strange reaction. She claims PIP and benefits for her children. Not lying at all - would you like me to direct you to her Facebook page where she lays it all out?

Sorry if I confused things but yes she gets it for her anxiety and ADHD.

No she doesnt Children are not eligible for PIP if you dont know the basics then i very mich doubt you understand the ins and outs of whats shes claiming

XenoBitch · 14/10/2026 13:24

I naively thought this thread would be a reasonable discussion about the Timms review.
Nope... just benefit bashing.

ScaredButUnavoidable · 14/10/2026 13:25

YANBU and I claim PIP.

I’m in a face-to-face support group and an online support group for my condition and the majority of us are on PIP. About 50% of those in receipt of the benefit work full time, have normal active social lives and hobbies etc, but will be getting £500+ a month in PIP. One guy whose health is far better than my own gets almost £800 a month on top of his full-time wage which he uses to overpay his mortgage and “treat himself to designer clothes” each month.

You’d be surprised how many PIP claimants have a laugh and a brag about what they actually spend their PIP money on because for a good portion of the people I know who claim it, it isn’t for anything to do with their heath.

Being around lots of PIP claimants has certainly been an eye opener and it’s disheartening to see people who don’t “need” the financial support claim it just because they can and then spend it frivolously on whatever takes their fancy whilst others genuinely struggle.

It’s a benefit that is absolutely essential for a lot of people, but sadly it is also one that is easily taken advantage of by others.

mamaof4losingmymind · 14/10/2026 13:26

Itsbeenalongtimeincoming · 14/10/2026 13:21

What a strange reaction. She claims PIP and benefits for her children. Not lying at all - would you like me to direct you to her Facebook page where she lays it all out?

Sorry if I confused things but yes she gets it for her anxiety and ADHD.

You didn't confuse it you got caught out in a lie

gamerchick · 14/10/2026 13:27

Itsbeenalongtimeincoming · 14/10/2026 13:21

What a strange reaction. She claims PIP and benefits for her children. Not lying at all - would you like me to direct you to her Facebook page where she lays it all out?

Sorry if I confused things but yes she gets it for her anxiety and ADHD.

You cant claim PIP for children though. It's for 16+.

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