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PIP isn't fit for purpose

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Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:01

I made this comment on another thread and thought I'd start a separate thread purely on this topic. This is all from my own personal experience rather than from reading/hearing anything, I'm only going off what I see day to day.
The people I know who claim PIP do not need it financially. One works full time and earns more than me (and I'm not at imminent risk of homelessness or starvation) and the young people I know literally tell me things like their PIP's come in so they're off to get a new tattoo, which they then do. They appear to have much more disposable income than me.
These are all people who can function in society by the way and as far as I can see, all PIP does is give them extra spending money, which I'm sure we'd all like.

I'm aware this won't be the case for everyone who recieves PIP but it is for the people I come into regular contact with. Which is why it needs reloooking at so it only goes to those who actually need the money for a specific purpose related to their disability.

We're not in a position as a society where we can afford to give people money who do not actually need it.
Things like this should be means tested, both in terms of whether people have enough income to live a decent life without additional benefits and in terms of what the money is actually going to be used for.
PIP is not fit for purpose and needs scrapping or totally changing.

OP posts:
namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 12:55

doowkrib · 14/10/2026 12:54

I have recently been awarded PIP for 2 conditions, one of which is ADHD. I also work full time and pay the higher tax rate. I’ve paid tax at the higher rate for the last 10 years. I receive not claim any other benefit or government support.

My PIP payment goes straight towards specific things that make my life easier and allow me to continue to work full time and continue to pay tax/national insurance. This includes a cheap meal delivery service. Spending a benefit on Gousto I hear you scream!! My ADHD is so difficult to manage that I have almost burned my house down twice, once left some food in my microwave for over a week… I can cook, I can function in society, but my brain just can’t cope with meal prep. I manage multi million pound budgets at work but can’t set a timer on my oven. Over several years this, (and the well known ADHD medication side effect of reduced appetite), caused genuine malnutrition and a severe lack of phosphate. I was hospitalised for a week after collapsing at work. I am single and something like Gousto wasn’t affordable to me previously despite a good salary.

The rest of my PIP pays for treatment of my rare and extremely painful disease. Over 80% of sufferers worldwide can’t work due to the pain it causes. I use my PIP for private treatment and pain management which allows me to work full time rather than claim additional benefits.

I struggled with guilt and shame for over a year before I applied for PIP. It has genuinely enabled me to contribute to society and succeed in my career, which I am proud of. I volunteer as an appropriate adult, at an animal charity and support families navigating the SEND system for 10-15 hours per week; none of which is have been able to do if it wasn’t for PIP.

I also know so many people who completely scam the system. And don’t bother to hide it. There are facebooks groups dedicated to passing the assessment. Companies exist who, for a fee will write your application. An acquaintance of a friend gets this maximum amount of PIP available and uses it to go abroad, buy clothes and smoke weed. I supported a family recently who were getting £2850 combined PIP, DLA and motability. It infuriates me but it would be political suicide for any party to try to to take this off people. We’ve enabled millions of people to rely on the state and, in my experience, it’s actually worse with the younger generations who believe the word owes them a favour and lack skills such as resilience, tenacity and grit.

I don’t know how you’d means test PIP. Most reasonable people would be outraged at what I spend mine on…but I think it’s defensible due to my circumstances and personal context.

Good to hear someone who claims genuinely actually call out the scammers. Fair play to you.

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 12:56

roaringdragon · 14/10/2026 12:54

No, DLA doesn’t just turn to PIP when you are 16. You, or your appointee, has to apply and go through the assessment process. The eligibility criteria for PIP are not the same as for DLA. Some who are eligible for DLA are not eligible for PIP, and some who aren’t eligible for DLA are eligible for PIP.

A lot get a paper based assessment because it’s alot for the young person to do a full assessment.

AnonyMumAuDHD · 14/10/2026 12:57

KpkWa · 14/10/2026 12:09

What if someone can't work?

As I said, I don’t have all the answers and we’re bouncing around ideas here. But people who genuinely cannot work due to severe permanent mental or physical disability or illness don’t ever receive Job Seekers Allowance and therefore don’t transition to UC with a requirement to seek work, do they? So they aren’t ‘unemployed’ so much as ‘unable to work’. As I understand it, many receive the maximum PIP allowance and other alternative benefits. They are also a tiny section of the claimant pool, and precisely the people PIP was designed for.

With fewer overall LT claimants of PIP and more people being supported back into work, there should in theory be scope to increase benefits for this smaller, much more vulnerable group, shouldn’t there?

StockingsByTheFire · 14/10/2026 12:58

TigerRag · 14/10/2026 12:12

And your source for this supposed high amount of fraud is...?

DWPs own stats disagree with you. Massively.

I think it's because you become very aware of the fraudsters and there seems like a lot of them.

See my PP about the 2 fuckers at my work.

One who over performs her lack of mobility and is then caught on CCTV lifting 15kg and strutting about with it over her shoulder.

Another who lies about his MH (because he bragged how easy it was to the receptionist and she's told everyone)

So it seems fraud is rife.

None of them will know about my DC though. They know he has a condition but would have no idea that I claim anything for him. So they might suspect. There are probably by law of average a few more at work that claim something.

You only see the fraudsters though. And yes, there are lots. Of course bloody DWP don't think they are, they're the ones who've awarded them legitimate claims!!

Darkcarpark · 14/10/2026 12:58

Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 10:34

Here's how one conversation roughly went between me and a 21 year old:
Me: "Are you up to much this weekend?"
Them: "I'm off to get a new tattoo because I got paid today"
Me: "Oh I didn't know you had a job. Where do you work?"
Them: "No, I mean my PIP's been paid".
So it's not about people showing me their bank statements or giving me a full breakdown of their income and outgoings, it's about casual conversations such as these.
That's just one example of one conversation I've had. There's nothing I can do to prove it happened but I was there and it did!

If you are working with young people, they would likely have had DLA, which can be claimed without an official diagnosis of say, autism, and then claimed PIP once they were 16. Unfortunately there are rather high number of children being awarded PIP based on their previous DLA award, which is great if they were correctly awarded DLA. But not so great if they weren’t. This contributes to school leavers not being motivated to look for work of further education sadly.

SeraphionLightbringer · 14/10/2026 12:59

I look perfectly fine. We both have well paid jobs. However, I get enhanced PIP which pays for a Motability car as I can’t drive due to having epilepsy.

Feel free to have my car but you have to have epilepsy too.

HTH.

roaringdragon · 14/10/2026 12:59

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 11:30

Sooner or later you will have to face facts that PIP is just a luxury this country can't afford. 1in 5 kids diagnosed as having ADHD/Autism now and so claiming PIP along with the new arrivals. How much of the cash is actually spent on the needs of the kids? I don't mean chucking a pad in front of them. I'm afraid this benefit along with many others will become obsolete in 10yrs time. Who do you think will pay for it when the benefit needs outweigh the taxpayers? Simple maths could give you an idea. Do you expect us to borrow the money from overseas? The working class cannot sustain everybody. People will have to start cutting back on non essentials like tattoos, cigarettes and alcohol I'm afraid. Charity shops are inundated with items they can't sell. Perhaps they could be recycled instead of people buying more things online with the PIP money. Just a thought!

Edited

1 in 5 DC are not diagnosed with ASD/ADHD. Besides, you don’t need a diagnosis anyway and a diagnosis doesn’t automatically mean DC are entitled to DLA or PIP. Many ‘new arrivals’ would not be eligible for PIP/DLA because of the residence/presence tests and/or some of them having NRPF.

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 12:59

Username says it all lol.

SpoonieMum19 · 14/10/2026 12:59

Have you actually looked at the PIP criteria OP? It really might be worth a look. The tasks are incredibly basic and there is a massive gulf between being able to do them and what’s actually required in reality to live life. If someone meets those criteria they deserve everything they are getting.

I have complicated chronic illnesses which have taken my career and massively affect my life everyday yet I would struggle to qualify for PIP and the time and stress involved in applying would not be worth it for me. Yet the extra costs of disability are significant, especially when I’m working as I have less time and energy to spend on other things.

Some people will always play every system, but as someone mentioned above, the fraud rate in PIP is very low as it is so very hard to get and keep.

Please don’t contribute to what is already a hostile world to be disabled in. We all think it will never happen to us, and yet..

Lovingapeacefulgarden · 14/10/2026 12:59

I have a friend who gets PIP. She works full time but PIP allows her to stay in work by giving her the money to be able to afford taxis etc to work on the days she is in so much pain she cant walk (frequent). She works for her own mental health but finds it tough. I hugely admire her determination as I know she is in serious pain .

emuloc · 14/10/2026 12:59

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 12:55

Good to hear someone who claims genuinely actually call out the scammers. Fair play to you.

The clothes could be adaptable clothing for all we know, the weed smoking for pain relief, and the holiday for, well why not? Do disabled people not need to have a holiday for the same, or similar reasons that non disabled people do?

roaringdragon · 14/10/2026 13:00

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 12:56

A lot get a paper based assessment because it’s alot for the young person to do a full assessment.

A paper-based assessment is still as assessment though. And it still doesn’t mean DLA just turns to PIP at 16.

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 13:00

You don't need a diagnosis? Wow that's even worse!

StockingsByTheFire · 14/10/2026 13:01

keepingitclean · 14/10/2026 12:48

You don’t ‘think’ you have to provide evidence? So you know nothing about how the assessment for PIP works yet are here making wild claims anyway?

YOU NEED TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE.

But you can create your own.

See lazy twat from my work post earlier.

keepingitclean · 14/10/2026 13:01

walrushurricane · 14/10/2026 12:55

True for people with physical disabilities. I think it is quite easy to lie about not being able to do things due to ADHD or anxiety though.

But it isn’t. You do not just tell them you can’t do something and they believe you. If you haven’t been referred to any mental health services and you are merely getting anti depressants form your GO you are unlikely to meet the criteria for diagnosis. Same for ADHD, you don’t just get it if you have ADHD, there has to be evidence of impairment there before that would be considered. People seem to think you just need to say you have ADHD and you get PIP; but have they ever read the form? How are they evidencing they need prompting or support to eat and drink, to take medications, to wash or toilet? To communicate? It’s all based on evidence, not the letters ‘ADHD’ - most people who have ADHD will not meet the criteria without other conditions as they simply would not score enough points.

note it’s very different for children with DLA as it’s not the same criteria or assessment, so lots of children with ADHD will get DLA on ADHD alone.

TigerRag · 14/10/2026 13:01

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 13:00

You don't need a diagnosis? Wow that's even worse!

Why is it? I'm 37 years into waiting for a diagnosis which I may never get. Why would my needs suddenly be valid because someone has managed to slap a label on my symptoms?

Crushed23 · 14/10/2026 13:01

MidnightPatrol · 14/10/2026 09:47

It is not sustainable to provide sickness and disability benefits at the rate we are - £100billion in total separate to those claiming this year, forecast to be £130 billion by 2030.

We have a higher number of the population reporting needing disability and sickness benefits than any other country. We have seen faster growth of this group than any other country - the number of claimants has increased 60% in five years

10% of the population is claiming some of sickness or disability benefit, 7 million people. 4.7 million of those are of working age.

Let that sink in. That is crazy.

The country cannot afford this - and yes it’s legitimate to say ‘is this money going to the right people, and in the right amounts’.

Those who react emotionally and accuse those of challenging it as cruel in some way - do you really see this as a sustainable situation? Where do you think the money should come from to fund it?

Why has the UK suddenly got such a huge issue with this compared to comparable nations?

Edited

Wow, this is really interesting (and shocking) and puts things into perspective. I wonder why the UK is like this?

PIPreceiver · 14/10/2026 13:02

SeraphionLightbringer · 14/10/2026 12:59

I look perfectly fine. We both have well paid jobs. However, I get enhanced PIP which pays for a Motability car as I can’t drive due to having epilepsy.

Feel free to have my car but you have to have epilepsy too.

HTH.

Hear hear!!

keepingitclean · 14/10/2026 13:02

StockingsByTheFire · 14/10/2026 13:01

But you can create your own.

See lazy twat from my work post earlier.

How do people create their own evidence please?

gamerchick · 14/10/2026 13:02

FourFruitSalads · 14/10/2026 12:27

Weird. I'm currently trawling through (as in taking a break from for 5) the fucker and it's no tick box form

Yes, acknowledged. It's a long time since I filled it in for my daughter. It starts off with tick boxes and then there's a lot of info to fill in. Which is why my friend
got a company that helps you fill it in. I wasn't privy to all this happening but this person has freely told me that they exaggerated their condition, thinking I wouldn't be at all shocked. I was. That's all.

Well it should make you happy to know that places like the CA can't help with them anymore. Only with appeals.

When I rang up for an extension (as they like to only give you a week to fill it in despite the date on the form) they explicitly asked if I was filling it in myself.

Something has changed, should keep the thick twats who think it's an out of work benefit satisfied at least. There is a rumbling going on in the background. It makes the media attention and the pitting is against each other make sense. Attack the disabled so people don't care when cuts happen.

It's absolutely not a tick box form,I'm on question 64 and want to punch something.

StockingsByTheFire · 14/10/2026 13:02

roaringdragon · 14/10/2026 13:00

A paper-based assessment is still as assessment though. And it still doesn’t mean DLA just turns to PIP at 16.

It near as anything does.

Arguing the toss because one or two questions are phrased a bit differently, or you need to print one out is just a bit silly.

keepingitclean · 14/10/2026 13:03

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 13:00

You don't need a diagnosis? Wow that's even worse!

No no, that’s better, that means it’s based on need not name

Passaggressfedup · 14/10/2026 13:03

58% of posters agree with you. This would have been about 10% 10 years ago.

Of course those who do claim as you are describing it are going to shout and say the same old things, that it's soooooo hard to get it, that's you have to demonstrate how limited your life is etc...but more and more people are getting to know people who somehow have managed to be granted PIP who don't have the level.of need they would have had to claim to be entitled.

PIP is currently a benefit that is processed as compensation. This was fine many years ago. It has now evolved to be a benefit people just want to claim for extra income.

I would, and I now think the majority of the population, would much rather see PIP being allocated to people who can demonstrate a financial need specific to their disability. This would mean people with very expensive needs actually recieving it.

The problem is two fold. For one, we have the NHS in the UK, so although it doesn't cover all medical needs, it covers a large number compared to countries where people have to pay something.

Secondly, putting in place a system that can assess fairly and consistently the financial needs of disabled people would be astronomically expensive. I expect so expensive that each government has decided that it's not worth it, even though they despair at the constant increase in claims, especially MH related.

Kirbert2 · 14/10/2026 13:03

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 13:00

You don't need a diagnosis? Wow that's even worse!

It can take years to get a diagnosis. It doesn't make a child any less autistic just because the waiting list is so long and they can't get a formal diagnosis for however many years.

roaringdragon · 14/10/2026 13:03

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 13:00

You don't need a diagnosis? Wow that's even worse!

No, you don’t need a diagnosis. You don’t need a diagnosis to be considered disabled as per the Equality Act either. Support is based on needs, not diagnosis.

You do know it takes some people (including some severely disabled people) years and years to receive a diagnosis, and some never receive a name for the condition they have.

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