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PIP isn't fit for purpose

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Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:01

I made this comment on another thread and thought I'd start a separate thread purely on this topic. This is all from my own personal experience rather than from reading/hearing anything, I'm only going off what I see day to day.
The people I know who claim PIP do not need it financially. One works full time and earns more than me (and I'm not at imminent risk of homelessness or starvation) and the young people I know literally tell me things like their PIP's come in so they're off to get a new tattoo, which they then do. They appear to have much more disposable income than me.
These are all people who can function in society by the way and as far as I can see, all PIP does is give them extra spending money, which I'm sure we'd all like.

I'm aware this won't be the case for everyone who recieves PIP but it is for the people I come into regular contact with. Which is why it needs reloooking at so it only goes to those who actually need the money for a specific purpose related to their disability.

We're not in a position as a society where we can afford to give people money who do not actually need it.
Things like this should be means tested, both in terms of whether people have enough income to live a decent life without additional benefits and in terms of what the money is actually going to be used for.
PIP is not fit for purpose and needs scrapping or totally changing.

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ElizabethNatalie · 14/10/2026 12:33

charliehungerford · 14/10/2026 10:57

Does seem a bit suspect though! Mobility scooter and sticks in daylight hours but appears physically able once it’s dark! Interesting. I know someone who only uses her sticks when she’s got a medical appointment, if you see her around town she never has them. No idea if she’s on any benefits although I know she doesn’t have a job.

Can you indulge me? Why do you attack the lowest-hanging fruit? Disability is wearing. It's appointments, illnesses, missing out, fatigue, uncertainty, lonliness, having your future snatched away from you. It's embarrassing treatments and difficult choices. It's not, and I reiterate this, really not a scam. Yes. Some people might 'cheat' the system but it's a minority and of those a proportion will be administrative errors. It's unkind to repeatedly question if people with disabilities deserve money. I would go so far as to say it's a form of bullying. These allegedly innocuous 'questions' people ask such as 'Why do people need to get benefits?' and wild anecdotal claims do nothing but diminish and dismiss the lived reality for all disabled people. I wouldn't do it to parents who are also in receipt of benefits. I wouldn't dream of suggesting child benefit be cancelled. And why do those who have no lived experience of disability feel the need to offer their opinions so vehemently? With all due respect, they haven't got the faintest understanding of disability and that's plainly clear in many of the threads and remarks.

emuloc · 14/10/2026 12:34

dustabsorber · 14/10/2026 12:31

You should see the mobility scooters lined up outside my local of a lunchtime

Local what? Doctor's, Dentist, shop? Disabled people are allowed out, you know.

KindlySurfiingPlatypus · 14/10/2026 12:34

KpkWa · 14/10/2026 12:09

What if someone can't work?

If someone can't work they should receive UC and other benefits at the same rate as a non-disabled person who isn't in work. If their disability is such that there is no productive work they could ever do then that should be at the same rate as someone who is making every effort to gain employment. If jobs exist that they could reasonably do then they should have an obligation to show evidence that they are doing whatever is reasonable or achievable towards achieving such a position (though there might not be much that could reasonably be expected). And their PIP should then be in addition on top of that.

emuloc · 14/10/2026 12:36

@ElizabethNatalie Well said.

notanothernamesurely · 14/10/2026 12:36

yes its a broken system. Too easy to lie and claim. No regular checks.

Merrybandofpirates · 14/10/2026 12:37

dustabsorber · 14/10/2026 12:31

You should see the mobility scooters lined up outside my local of a lunchtime

Same at a couple of pubs round my town. And inside, you see the retired pensioners having a pint. Isn’t it great that the elderly are still getting out and having an afternoon with their mates?

emuloc · 14/10/2026 12:37

notanothernamesurely · 14/10/2026 12:36

yes its a broken system. Too easy to lie and claim. No regular checks.

More nonsense being spouted.

squarecrow · 14/10/2026 12:37

Octavia64 · 14/10/2026 09:40

Almost by definition you are not going to see the most disabled out and about day to day in society.

i’m disabled following an accident and I attend quite a few disability support groups / exercise groups specifically for people in wheelchairs etc.

it’s very hard for people who have had a stroke and can’t walk/are dying of blood cancer/have ms/have been in severe accidents to get out and about and you aren’t going to see them going shopping or dropping the kids off at school because they are largely at home or if they are out they’re somewhere easily wheelchair accessible.

This. And the same is true of people who have variable disabilities - you’re not going to see them on their bad days! You’re only going to see them when they were well enough to get out of the house. Then they might seem “fine”.

Crushed23 · 14/10/2026 12:38

Haven’t RTFT so apologies if this has been discussed already, but as someone who doesn’t live in the UK and doesn’t have any knowledge of the benefits system, can someone please explain one thing to me:

How in the name of christ can you fake a disability?

Disability benefits are surely the one thing we can safely assume is 99% legit. Or are we not trusting doctors and other clinicians anymore?!

PetulaGordeno · 14/10/2026 12:38

Kirbert2 · 14/10/2026 12:09

The thought of it keeps me awake at night and fills me with anxiety because I don't know what I will do.

Hope that makes you happy.

I actually messaged a certain clinic in Switzerland and asked if my PIP got completely removed could I go to them?
Of course, you’ve got to jump through hoops.
But honestly headlines and threads like these, I already don’t feel fit for purpose.
I sat in a PIP tribunal and felt like a criminal and was spoken to with disdain.
And then the ‘head’ of the panel happened to ask what I did before I became disabled I told her, and she changed. She even knew my old boss and suddenly I was respectable once more.
When I had an ESA assessment it was awful and then the man doing it checked my maiden name and recognised me from somewhere else. His tone changed and once more I became honest. I was part of their club.
I have been disabled for 25 years and worked from home for 18 of those, usually in bed, sometimes with a commode on one side and a bucket on the other side to be sick in. No need for violins, it was just how things were.
Now AI has replaced the only skill I could use, so I’d love someone to tell me what I could next.

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 12:39

You’ll get so many people come and tell you yabu, but I agree with you. My own dsd claims for adhd, she even gets high rate mobility because her and her mum said she couldn’t go out alone because she’s a flight risk, has way too much anxiety, but she then goes off abroad with her friends, gets the bus/train alone/to the nail salon/gets her hair extensions fitted. It’s all a massive blag. There is no extra expenses associated with the adhd, she doesn’t take medication for it. Her mum gets her board out of it and dsd keeps the rest. She also got a brand new car, can’t even drive yet ! It’s really a joke and then you have genuine claimants like my mum for my mentally disabled sister having to go to assessments for a condition she is never ever going to grow out of. Really pisses me off how some people play the system. And before you say oh there must have been evidence, no it was a paper based assessment coming straight off DLA onto pip. These people give each other tips on what to say to get it, dsd bf is the same, full pip for fuck all.

darkdaysareover · 14/10/2026 12:39

Saying fraudulent PIP claims are low is ridiculous. The recorded numbers are low because they can only record the cases found out.

There will be many fraudent claims that are never caught and therefore not included in the numbers.

Ihateboris · 14/10/2026 12:40

I don't disagree with PIP, as others have said, it assists with daily living. However, I think that some prescriptions should therefore be free, as surely these assist with daily living. For example, if I didn't take antidepressants, i wouldn't be able to work as I become so anxious and depressed, I just want to shut myself away from the outside world.

emuloc · 14/10/2026 12:40

Merrybandofpirates · 14/10/2026 12:37

Same at a couple of pubs round my town. And inside, you see the retired pensioners having a pint. Isn’t it great that the elderly are still getting out and having an afternoon with their mates?

Love this. I was at my exercise class this week, and the downstairs part of the building, was hosting their regular social hub. There were lots of senior people in wheelchairs enjoying being in others company. Lovely.

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 12:41

Crushed23 · 14/10/2026 12:38

Haven’t RTFT so apologies if this has been discussed already, but as someone who doesn’t live in the UK and doesn’t have any knowledge of the benefits system, can someone please explain one thing to me:

How in the name of christ can you fake a disability?

Disability benefits are surely the one thing we can safely assume is 99% legit. Or are we not trusting doctors and other clinicians anymore?!

It’s mainly neurodivergence/anxiety rather than physical. People who claim genuinely do have these diagnosis because they have to prove it, but they’re massively milking it and playing up their symptoms saying it affects their daily life much more than it really does.

5128gap · 14/10/2026 12:42

The premis behind PIP is not well understood. Its not a means tested benefit paid to people who would otherwise be in poverty. Although for some due to the cost of their disability it is what stands between them and destitution, this is not the principle behind it.
PIP is paid so that people already disadvantaged by disability can have the financial disadvantage somewhat off set.
If you compare two people, in identical circumstances other than one is disabled, the disabled person is likely to be at a financial disadvantage. There may be restrictions on their earning power, their travel, heating and food costs may be higher. They may need to buy aids, adaptations, therapies, clothing that the person without a disability doesn't.
Over a life time, taxi rather than bus, keeping the heating on, not being able to get to a location so being unable to take a better paying job etc, all adds up. So by comparison with the person with whom they are otherwise in the same circumstances, they will be poorer.
PIP is a benefit paid in recognition of this.
You can of course argue that 'we can't afford it' but I'd question cost cutting measures that target people at a disadvantage due to something they can't control.

MrsSlocombesCat · 14/10/2026 12:43

Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:16

I don't hate the disabled, I think PIP is given out too freely to people who don't necessarily need it. I've been told I could claim PIP myself but as I can manage financially, I won't.

Too easily? Are you joking? My son is autistic with OCD, ADHD and Dyspraxia. I have to fight tooth and nail every time he has a review because somehow they think autism is curable! He had DLA from age 8 or so, and then PIP came in with those tossers from Capita. I shake when I get a letter from them because I know what's coming. Losing his PIP, appeals, losing my carers allowance until his Pip is finally reinstated which can take months. The money goes on living expenses and his hobbies which is all that keeps him happy. He's on 3 different medications to control his mental health. Why don't you start a post about tax dodging billionaires instead.

dustabsorber · 14/10/2026 12:43

Merrybandofpirates · 14/10/2026 12:37

Same at a couple of pubs round my town. And inside, you see the retired pensioners having a pint. Isn’t it great that the elderly are still getting out and having an afternoon with their mates?

I am an OAP and I can't afford to drink at lunchtime. A few halves at the football on a Saturday is all a State Pension will stretch too.

emuloc · 14/10/2026 12:44

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 12:39

You’ll get so many people come and tell you yabu, but I agree with you. My own dsd claims for adhd, she even gets high rate mobility because her and her mum said she couldn’t go out alone because she’s a flight risk, has way too much anxiety, but she then goes off abroad with her friends, gets the bus/train alone/to the nail salon/gets her hair extensions fitted. It’s all a massive blag. There is no extra expenses associated with the adhd, she doesn’t take medication for it. Her mum gets her board out of it and dsd keeps the rest. She also got a brand new car, can’t even drive yet ! It’s really a joke and then you have genuine claimants like my mum for my mentally disabled sister having to go to assessments for a condition she is never ever going to grow out of. Really pisses me off how some people play the system. And before you say oh there must have been evidence, no it was a paper based assessment coming straight off DLA onto pip. These people give each other tips on what to say to get it, dsd bf is the same, full pip for fuck all.

Edited

Report her then if it grieves you so much, and you have so much evidence to the contrary. Just be upfront, and let her know what you are doing though, eh!

walrushurricane · 14/10/2026 12:44

namechangeforthiswun · 14/10/2026 12:39

You’ll get so many people come and tell you yabu, but I agree with you. My own dsd claims for adhd, she even gets high rate mobility because her and her mum said she couldn’t go out alone because she’s a flight risk, has way too much anxiety, but she then goes off abroad with her friends, gets the bus/train alone/to the nail salon/gets her hair extensions fitted. It’s all a massive blag. There is no extra expenses associated with the adhd, she doesn’t take medication for it. Her mum gets her board out of it and dsd keeps the rest. She also got a brand new car, can’t even drive yet ! It’s really a joke and then you have genuine claimants like my mum for my mentally disabled sister having to go to assessments for a condition she is never ever going to grow out of. Really pisses me off how some people play the system. And before you say oh there must have been evidence, no it was a paper based assessment coming straight off DLA onto pip. These people give each other tips on what to say to get it, dsd bf is the same, full pip for fuck all.

Edited

I agree actually. I have also known someone who got the higher mobility pip because they said they couldn't navigate even familiar routes due to anxiety. They were lying. Meanwhile my friend who can only walk a couple of meters on crutches and uses a mobility scooter for further distances only gets standard.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 14/10/2026 12:45

The benefits system is abused by a number of people - and not just PIP. Why are you focusing on disabled people?

keepingitclean · 14/10/2026 12:45

dustabsorber · 14/10/2026 12:43

I am an OAP and I can't afford to drink at lunchtime. A few halves at the football on a Saturday is all a State Pension will stretch too.

Maybe they choose a lunchtime drink instead of a ‘few halves’ at the football on a Saturday

squarecrow · 14/10/2026 12:45

darkdaysareover · 14/10/2026 12:39

Saying fraudulent PIP claims are low is ridiculous. The recorded numbers are low because they can only record the cases found out.

There will be many fraudent claims that are never caught and therefore not included in the numbers.

If, for example 1% of investigated cases turned out to be fraudulent, they would extend this statistic to the whole - that is how statistics work.

ilovesooty · 14/10/2026 12:45

Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:22

As a member of society I'm entitled to comment on what taxpayer money goes toward, as are you.

Are you in favour of means testing Attendance Allowance for pensioners too?

keepingitclean · 14/10/2026 12:46

darkdaysareover · 14/10/2026 12:39

Saying fraudulent PIP claims are low is ridiculous. The recorded numbers are low because they can only record the cases found out.

There will be many fraudent claims that are never caught and therefore not included in the numbers.

If we say they are low ‘comparatively’ though…

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