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PIP isn't fit for purpose

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Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:01

I made this comment on another thread and thought I'd start a separate thread purely on this topic. This is all from my own personal experience rather than from reading/hearing anything, I'm only going off what I see day to day.
The people I know who claim PIP do not need it financially. One works full time and earns more than me (and I'm not at imminent risk of homelessness or starvation) and the young people I know literally tell me things like their PIP's come in so they're off to get a new tattoo, which they then do. They appear to have much more disposable income than me.
These are all people who can function in society by the way and as far as I can see, all PIP does is give them extra spending money, which I'm sure we'd all like.

I'm aware this won't be the case for everyone who recieves PIP but it is for the people I come into regular contact with. Which is why it needs reloooking at so it only goes to those who actually need the money for a specific purpose related to their disability.

We're not in a position as a society where we can afford to give people money who do not actually need it.
Things like this should be means tested, both in terms of whether people have enough income to live a decent life without additional benefits and in terms of what the money is actually going to be used for.
PIP is not fit for purpose and needs scrapping or totally changing.

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redange · 14/10/2026 12:06

Also what has someones "Wealth" got to do with Disability Payments. It is very harsh that a disabled person who suddenly comes in to just £16K no longer qualifies for Universal Credit. Think about a Disabled Person is not suddenly enabled with great agency in life, because they have £16k. A figure by the way that has not been uplifted since the early 2000s . The figure should now be about £40k this should be enacted instantly for disabled people. They are suddenly not able to work.

Kirbert2 · 14/10/2026 12:09

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 12:05

The PIP brigade is out in full force on this thread and that's to be expected. Just a question? What will you do when the benefits are cut as that's the inevitable? There are too many people on PIP and DLA. A huge percentage are fraudulent claims. Bury your head in the sand as much as you like, this needs to be addressed.

The thought of it keeps me awake at night and fills me with anxiety because I don't know what I will do.

Hope that makes you happy.

KpkWa · 14/10/2026 12:09

AnonyMumAuDHD · 14/10/2026 12:06

Yes, I do believe that it should apply across the board, but PIP was the focus of this thread. IMHO I also don’t think benefits should be paid long term - after 6-12m of unemployment there should be participation in compulsory retraining to acquire skills to meet local market requirements, in order to continue to receive them.

And yes, it could be costly to devise, set up and implement any alternative system… but what we are doing now is a loss/loss model with no exit or expiry date. And we have technology and AI that can be used very quickly to create admin systems/soft ware and to help run cost models. We just have to have a political will to want to genuinely explore alternatives.

What if someone can't work?

MyNeedyLilacBird · 14/10/2026 12:10

I dont think your wrong op that a lot is paid out to non genuine claims but the issue is how do you fix it as it always seems like its the genuine people who really need it who would end up suffering and having it taken off them

MrsWidgerysLodger · 14/10/2026 12:11

Oh here we go, let's see.how low we can punch down eh?

Whilst I have no doubt that there are SOME fraudulent PIP claims, it is, and has historically been a benefit with one of the lowest amounts of fraudulent claims

It's also bloody difficult to get and a really degrading process.

Also it seems to be oft forgotten that it's.not an out of work benefit.

Being disabled IS more expensive. Prescriptions, travel, additional food needs,. mobility aids all add up.

And yes I have direct experience. PIP is the only money I now receive in my own right. I'm disabled but my husband works so we're not entitled to any additional help.

gamerchick · 14/10/2026 12:11

FourFruitSalads · 14/10/2026 11:59

How did he evidence his needs? We all know about the companies etc that help but they are actually not in the business of helping non disabled people

He described it to me as a tick box exercise. It was when I claimed it for my daughter but her case was cut and dried as she was at a daycentre for people with LD and is now in supported living. She is non verbal and cannot do anything at all independently so her tick boxes were all at the extreme end.

I don't think you actually have to provide any medical evidence especially if your tick boxes reach the required pip criteria.

Weird. I'm currently trawling through (as in taking a break from for 5) the fucker and it's no tick box form.

TigerRag · 14/10/2026 12:12

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 12:05

The PIP brigade is out in full force on this thread and that's to be expected. Just a question? What will you do when the benefits are cut as that's the inevitable? There are too many people on PIP and DLA. A huge percentage are fraudulent claims. Bury your head in the sand as much as you like, this needs to be addressed.

And your source for this supposed high amount of fraud is...?

DWPs own stats disagree with you. Massively.

Kittkats · 14/10/2026 12:13

DH gets PIP. If it was means tested he wouldn’t (miss UC by £33 pcm due to my income).
if we rented he’d get UC, but doesn’t due to our £980 pcm mortgage. This means our family is £950pcm worse off than an identical family in rental accommodation. He’d also get free dental care, prescriptions, younger dc would get free school meals and we could get the boiler which stops working every couple of months fixed. And probably get the house insulated which might help with the black mould.

PIP is essential for him and our family following sudden illness 2 years ago. It pays for a car he can get in and out of, hypnotherapy and tens for pain, prescriptions, mobility aids, £380 dentist bill when he collapsed and cracked a tooth, Alexa’s and internet so he can call me at work each time he blacks out or falls, extra heating in the day now he’s home all the time…. You get the idea.

If it was means tested with the same threshold as UC he’d miss out and have zero quality of life, plus we’d probably lose the house and/or I’d be unable to work.

socialbatteryisdead · 14/10/2026 12:13

Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:20

You'll be accused of fabricating this entire scenario now.

Probably 🙄

redange · 14/10/2026 12:14

You also miss certain points. If you stop PIP how are many people going to afford to live ! In theory there are people on PIP who are Autistic say and have high IQ levels. However, if they are 50 plus "who is going to employ them ". What we could do though is get some young Autistic people with Degrees in to Government guaranteed jobs for 2 years after graduation.

socialbatteryisdead · 14/10/2026 12:14

OhMyGodSusan · 14/10/2026 09:22

That's completely different though. That's a couple claiming fraudulently as a single claim nothing to do with pip. Pip fraud is incredibly low. People seem to think you can make up x, y and z and be magically awarded pip. It doesn't work like that. Thats why people get pissed off with these threads.

Yes I understand. But people do fraudulently claim.

Lomonald · 14/10/2026 12:15

Kirbert2 · 14/10/2026 12:09

The thought of it keeps me awake at night and fills me with anxiety because I don't know what I will do.

Hope that makes you happy.

The fact that poster said Pip Brigade tells you they are just a troll that enjoys making people scared and miserable.

socialbatteryisdead · 14/10/2026 12:15

Lomonald · 14/10/2026 09:22

But for every "friend" or "neighbour" you know that is "falsely claiming" then there will be people who do not lie, also why are you talking about your neighbour claiming while living with a partner ?
We are specifically talking about PIP

Not my neighbour but ok.

Shartly · 14/10/2026 12:17

If you think Pip is ‘given out too freely’ you’ve clearly never had to go through the hellish process of applying for it (and then inevitably having to send off for reconsideration or take it to tribunal because the people who assess are very good at talking you into playing down your symptoms. For reference, I do not receive PIP. It astonishes me that people get away with disability benefits fraud because it’s so difficult to get in genuine circumstances let alone fraudulently.

Also hate how this thread has a few posts nudging towards the ADHD bashing, which has been totally done to death recently in the media (and is evidently working based on the posts above…).

It’s very difficult to get PIP for ADHD alone, my friend used to get PIP but it was ADHD, extreme anxiety and PTSD diagnosed for 30+ years (the money would help when he would forget/mess up bookings at work or be too anxious to go in). As a self employed person, these mess ups and lack of organisation would cost £100s a month. He also couldn’t manage his own money at all and doesn’t even have his own bank account now. On review a few years ago he had PIP taken away and didn’t have the mental energy or capacity to appeal it and had to move to an employed job in order to cope/pay the bills.

I also know a girl with severe scoliosis who had to fight the DWP for years over her entitlement and ended up with a £12k back payment, because they refused to accept her evidence despite her being unable to walk or work for more than a few hours at a time.

At the end of the day, it’s not a means tested benefit which I get can be annoying (I agree with your point about winter fuel payments, my in-laws use it each year for a massive family meal out and it always feels a bit off) but it’s not easy to obtain and there’s no rules on how people spend it, whether it’s helping cover prescriptions or plug the gap if you have to take days off sick, or a tattoo that may give someone with a shit quality of life something to look forward to. As much as I can see why the tattoo thing would raise eyebrows, as a tattooist I have a lot of clients who come and it really helps their mental health (and is cheaper than private therapy lol). I had one client who would come every couple of weeks for a year in the run up to her death and the staff at my shop would be the only people she’d see that week sometimes.

WishIWasAPanda · 14/10/2026 12:19

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 12:05

The PIP brigade is out in full force on this thread and that's to be expected. Just a question? What will you do when the benefits are cut as that's the inevitable? There are too many people on PIP and DLA. A huge percentage are fraudulent claims. Bury your head in the sand as much as you like, this needs to be addressed.

Probably never leave the house as I wouldn’t be able to afford my mobility aids, taxis etc, and be very cold and hungry to be honest

interested on your evidence of ‘a huge percentage are fraudulent claims’

notnorman · 14/10/2026 12:19

Lomonald · 14/10/2026 10:53

Did you ?

Yes, new medication meant I was able to walk a bit further and blue badge helps.

FourFruitSalads · 14/10/2026 12:21

You do have to provide evidence though? Else people would just say all kinds of stuff to get higher rates even though they don't actually meet the criteria

I don't think you do. It helps, but isn't a legal requirement. He's had knee replacement surgery so maybe it's something worked around that, although he doesn't have any trouble with them now. The point is, he acknowledges himself that he's grossly exaggerated the truth on his pip forms and is fully aware that it has swung the balance towards him getting it. It's not a case of me being judgy and not knowing how it affects him. He's 'told' me.

HelenaWaiting · 14/10/2026 12:23

Some basic understanding of economics wouldn't go amiss.

Firstly, welfare spending as a percentage of GDP has been relatively flat for the last three decades. It fluctuates between 10.5 and 14%, was at its highest in 2009-10, with another spike during Covid, and is currently on the low side of that 10.5-14% spectrum. The change is that it has shifted towards pension benefits from working age benefits, so that we now have the higher proportion of welfare spending on pensions and pension credits. So why the fuss? It's an easy target, welfare spending has always been unpopular and the rise of the far right has seen an opportunistic move towards attacking those perceived to be net takers from society. Increasingly, right and far right parties are embracing the politics of envy, setting citizen against citizen. The Tories should be particularly ashamed about this - attacking a benefits system they overhauled to save money (which it demonstrably has). The right-wing press has jumped on the bandwagon for cheap headlines and many otherwise sensible members of society have fallen for it.

Secondly, welfare spending is not, and never has been, a question of affordability. The people receiving these payments are not squirrelling it away in off-shore accounts. It goes back into the economy, which supports jobs and makes payments into the exchequer in terms of VAT etc. The alternative is a sick society, with disabled people reduced to begging on the streets and an end to universal free health care. Unsurprisingly, the putative costs to the taxpayer of this are far higher (tot up the cost of one pandemic if you will, and then imagine if epidemics and pandemics were regular and frequent). This is how it used to be, before the Attlee government gave us the welfare state and the NHS.

The politics of envy do not work. Rather than getting outraged at the prospect of someone getting "something for nothing" we should be terrified that reasonable people are calling for the dismantling of the welfare state and blatantly inventing stories about acquaintances who are gaming the system, because they have been fed lies by Reform and Restore and have swallowed them. Look up the Nazi Party and Aktion T14 if you want to understand where this could lead.

Funnywonder · 14/10/2026 12:23

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 12:05

The PIP brigade is out in full force on this thread and that's to be expected. Just a question? What will you do when the benefits are cut as that's the inevitable? There are too many people on PIP and DLA. A huge percentage are fraudulent claims. Bury your head in the sand as much as you like, this needs to be addressed.

A huge percentage? Have you any evidence to back this up?

I suppose if/when benefits are cut there will be more poverty, more hunger, more suicides. Maybe bring back the workhouses? Have you any thoughts on this yourself?

Gilead · 14/10/2026 12:27

I’ve been here 20 years and it’s always people who know nothing but think they know it al. Feck off, it’s old news now. (And not true)

FourFruitSalads · 14/10/2026 12:27

Weird. I'm currently trawling through (as in taking a break from for 5) the fucker and it's no tick box form

Yes, acknowledged. It's a long time since I filled it in for my daughter. It starts off with tick boxes and then there's a lot of info to fill in. Which is why my friend
got a company that helps you fill it in. I wasn't privy to all this happening but this person has freely told me that they exaggerated their condition, thinking I wouldn't be at all shocked. I was. That's all.

TigerRag · 14/10/2026 12:29

FourFruitSalads · 14/10/2026 12:21

You do have to provide evidence though? Else people would just say all kinds of stuff to get higher rates even though they don't actually meet the criteria

I don't think you do. It helps, but isn't a legal requirement. He's had knee replacement surgery so maybe it's something worked around that, although he doesn't have any trouble with them now. The point is, he acknowledges himself that he's grossly exaggerated the truth on his pip forms and is fully aware that it has swung the balance towards him getting it. It's not a case of me being judgy and not knowing how it affects him. He's 'told' me.

But you need to back up what you're saying with evidence

dustabsorber · 14/10/2026 12:31

You should see the mobility scooters lined up outside my local of a lunchtime

Sirzy · 14/10/2026 12:32

It has just taken 10 months from filling the form in to getting DS PIP sorted to move from DLA over to PIP. It’s not an easy process at all.

what I did wonder when looking at DS award letter last week was why there isn’t a middle rate for the daily living like there is for the DLA. Adding that could help people still get support they need but also reduce the bill. I don’t know it was just a musing I had.

emuloc · 14/10/2026 12:32

keepingitclean · 14/10/2026 11:29

How did he evidence his needs? We all know about the companies etc that help but they are actually not in the business of helping non disabled people. The person has to have a disability in the first place and even with third party input they must be able to evidence their condition.

They can never answer this question, or if they attempt too, it always sounds so fanciful.

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