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PIP isn't fit for purpose

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Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:01

I made this comment on another thread and thought I'd start a separate thread purely on this topic. This is all from my own personal experience rather than from reading/hearing anything, I'm only going off what I see day to day.
The people I know who claim PIP do not need it financially. One works full time and earns more than me (and I'm not at imminent risk of homelessness or starvation) and the young people I know literally tell me things like their PIP's come in so they're off to get a new tattoo, which they then do. They appear to have much more disposable income than me.
These are all people who can function in society by the way and as far as I can see, all PIP does is give them extra spending money, which I'm sure we'd all like.

I'm aware this won't be the case for everyone who recieves PIP but it is for the people I come into regular contact with. Which is why it needs reloooking at so it only goes to those who actually need the money for a specific purpose related to their disability.

We're not in a position as a society where we can afford to give people money who do not actually need it.
Things like this should be means tested, both in terms of whether people have enough income to live a decent life without additional benefits and in terms of what the money is actually going to be used for.
PIP is not fit for purpose and needs scrapping or totally changing.

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Kirbert2 · 14/10/2026 11:45

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 11:30

Sooner or later you will have to face facts that PIP is just a luxury this country can't afford. 1in 5 kids diagnosed as having ADHD/Autism now and so claiming PIP along with the new arrivals. How much of the cash is actually spent on the needs of the kids? I don't mean chucking a pad in front of them. I'm afraid this benefit along with many others will become obsolete in 10yrs time. Who do you think will pay for it when the benefit needs outweigh the taxpayers? Simple maths could give you an idea. Do you expect us to borrow the money from overseas? The working class cannot sustain everybody. People will have to start cutting back on non essentials like tattoos, cigarettes and alcohol I'm afraid. Charity shops are inundated with items they can't sell. Perhaps they could be recycled instead of people buying more things online with the PIP money. Just a thought!

Edited

You don't even know the difference between PIP and DLA or the fact that a diagnosis isn't required for a child to be eligible for DLA. I'm not sure people should pay much attention to your opinions really.

KpkWa · 14/10/2026 11:48

It's all this "I know someone who did X Y Z".

I used to say such nonsense about PIP and disability benefits here till people fully explained their own issues and struggles and health issues and how much they needed it. I fully changed my mind and realised I was wrong for blaming disabled people.

HelenaWaiting · 14/10/2026 11:49

Lugol · 14/10/2026 11:38

Not sure why someone would lie about his partner for this, especially when he was trying to convince me for my son to do it.

Her parents both claim for the same thing. Unseen illness is easy to fake if you know what to say or do which is apparently what these groups are all about.

The suggestion isn't that your colleague is lying. HTH

TigerRag · 14/10/2026 11:50

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 11:30

Sooner or later you will have to face facts that PIP is just a luxury this country can't afford. 1in 5 kids diagnosed as having ADHD/Autism now and so claiming PIP along with the new arrivals. How much of the cash is actually spent on the needs of the kids? I don't mean chucking a pad in front of them. I'm afraid this benefit along with many others will become obsolete in 10yrs time. Who do you think will pay for it when the benefit needs outweigh the taxpayers? Simple maths could give you an idea. Do you expect us to borrow the money from overseas? The working class cannot sustain everybody. People will have to start cutting back on non essentials like tattoos, cigarettes and alcohol I'm afraid. Charity shops are inundated with items they can't sell. Perhaps they could be recycled instead of people buying more things online with the PIP money. Just a thought!

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So what do you suggest is the alternative? It's going to cost far more to give disabled people the extra care and equipment they need

Wynter25 · 14/10/2026 11:51

randomchap · 14/10/2026 09:15

Yay, the daily benefits bashing thread.

Same tired bullshit

Its ridiclous

Kirbert2 · 14/10/2026 11:51

AnonyMumAuDHD · 14/10/2026 11:35

Not going to go down the route of exploring those who may be lying to get PIP and focus on what I know from experience. [SORRY just realised this is a long reply.]

Not sure what the solution is, tbh. My DD gets PIP, but she is very disabled by her AuDHD because it co presents with ARFIDs, social anxiety/agoraphobia, self-harming and suicidal ideation. Our intention in claiming was to empower her to make decisions about treatment and medication options that we are forced to obtain privately (waited 5 year on CAMHS list before giving up and getting her assessed privately, only to find not ASC/ADHD support/therapy/assistance would be forthcoming via the NHS/SocServs anyway). We also intended this to be about scaffolding her into independence - an access course, degree and hopefully a job one day - so it was NOT about seeking a lifetime financial benefit. However, I think she may remain on it longer term if it evolves that FT work may be an issue with the current move away from hybrid work practices and flexible hours. We calculated that this year, with DBT group therapy, 121, private prescription charges we will have spent £12000. The £5,500 DD receives has helped, but also meant that she feels less guilty about being a burden, about feeling broken and as though this is all her fault (rather than a failure of the NHS to help her earlier), and that she has actively engaged in therapy because HER money has paid for it, directly. And we ARE seeing a slow, positive change in her. Finally.

So why am I chuntering on? Because I DO think that there may be issues with the way it is assessed and allocated - and the ethos underlying it. Technically I and my DS could also apply for PIP. We are both AuDHD and have individual needs that - were it not for the fact that I was lucky enough to marry a now successful [wealthy] man, to have benefited from the property boom, to have managed to find work easily/change jobs in the course of a week when I quit on a whim or couldn't cope throughout my 20s - I too could have needed PIP to cushion me and my DS through those periods. But I haven’t entirely because a) we have means to buy in the support we needed: we accessed private assessments, private therapy, private medication; we could afford for me not to work, to be the SAHP/carer for my DD from the age of 7; the list goes on. And b) because my periods of dysfunction have not lead to a negative financial impact on the family.

So, in part, I think it needs to change to consider whether there is a significantly negative financial impact flowing from the disability (not just new costs) and whether the household actually needs the additional funds to cushion it - and I think this was the initial intention that the severely mentally and physically disabled who needed 24hr support, specialist equipment/transport and incurred higher utility bills running equipment could have help.

And yes, I do believe there are some people with ‘short-term’ disabilities: illnesses that disable them in the short to medium term where PIP support is warranted for 6m periods, in tandem with therapy and a multi-agency [LOL fantasy] ‘back to work’ programmes supported by SS, GPs, OT and the employers, ie for claimants who are currently receiving PIP for 3-5 years without review. This needs to stop. 16yo’s being awarded PIP and getting arsy because mum isn’t giving them enough of their PIP in pocket money (another thread); families using it on general household running costs that would be no different if that child were NT - this is a farce. The basic test should be - what is the COST of this person’s disability. In my DD’s case, the increased cost of her disability is £12k this year, it probably does run at £5k a year so the PIP directly addresses additional needs and costs. My DS has, to date, only needed assessments and medication. Still expensive, but he will transition to a shared care agreement with GP and costs will be absorbed by the NHS that was. He has also needed a new laptop and hideously expensive software (and training), a personal printer/paper/ink in order to support uni. We didn’t need PIP for this as it came via the DSA at Student Finance England. So the ‘cost’ to us of his disability will have been either negligent or offset by direct provision of equipment and absorbed into the DSA budget.

So, rather than PIP, in some cases, I DO think that there is a case for provision of funded services, for utility bills to be paid by direct grant rather than the money going to the claimant; for a balance to be paid monthly into a Tesco/Aldi online account that can only used towards food/household items and delivered to the recipients home address - or receipts can be submitted to reclaim shopping expenses/utility bills just as people reclaim expenses at work.

I know such an overhaul will be expensive and it may feel very ‘nanny state’, dehumanising even, but the current system isn’t working and is unsustainable long term. We need cross party cooperation and brainstorming to really hammer out some workable solutions.

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Why should it only apply to disability benefits though and surely it would be so expensive to overhaul, would it actually save any money?

If it should be the case for disability benefits then it should be the case for all benefits including pensions, UC, child benefit etc.

KpkWa · 14/10/2026 11:51

How can you blame someone for being disabled?!

redange · 14/10/2026 11:53

I am on the right of the political Spectrum a Reform Member, but when I hear the constant nonsense about PIP and the cheating that goes on I despair. Most of these people do not have a Clue what PIP is how you get it , how points are calculated. Instead, they listen to a very simplified explanation from Radio Jocks. Posters, also think every PIP payment is £900 a month again you understanding of Standard/ Enhanced Daily Living or Mobility issues. The reason the numbers exploded out of all reason is down to the dropping of Face- Face Assessments which (though not perfect and could create genuine discomfort where better than the current situation) . This, where someone phones up and asks. Also there could be up-to 2 million people out of the 3.9 Million who no longer qualify but the incompetence of the DWP does not address this situation.

Instead we have Welfare Bills that go out of control and put the 1.9 Million people that totally deserve PIP and far more; in to the sights of posters on here.

redange · 14/10/2026 11:56

No understanding of the different types of PIP payments, how many points how you get these points. Do not understand for instance how an Autistic person with a Masters Degree could not use an oven !

Dorothyperky · 14/10/2026 11:56

So OP @Ljcrow can we turn this on its head?
I had worked from 12-58. Highest rate tax payer for many years. I've had an autoimmune disease for 23 years. I didn't claim pip but had a blue badge. My tax receipts over this period? In excess of £2m. I paid a lot out for my wider family. It's not stuffed in the bank

Two years ago I fell desperately ill. I couldn't work and nearly died. How much did I get? £100 per week ESA and pip. I can no longer work out of the home and I've been forced to retire. I've had to draw pensions early and I can't remortgage my home as I had a repayment holiday (your file is trashed). I've been trapped in an unsuitable house with a high mortgage that I have had to sell due to no fault of my own. Am I a benefits scrounger? Oh please, I've paid for many, many people in my time.
What people don't understand is for some things like a rail card you need a qualifying benefit. That opens up travel assistance (ramps, mobility cart) and a disabled seat. If I didn't have my pip I wouldn't qualify.
I do use some for a car but it is allowing me to get out. It's not a status symbol. I was housebound for two years. Fwiw I housed and nursed both my parents. One an ex police officer, the other an ex soldier. They did their duty for society, I did mine. They cost the state nothing.
Yes I have my nails done because I now have deformed hands. So shoot me.

AnonyMumAuDHD · 14/10/2026 11:57

NattyKnitter116 · 14/10/2026 11:45

understand a lot of what you are saying, but i am telling you that as someone who had to claim supplementary benefit when i had a baby (now UC) and received milk tokens, it was definitely humiliating having to use those in the supermarket, and there was a lot of judgement even back in the 90's.
the restricted card thing will be useless as people who want to buy cigarettes will just have an arrangement with one of their neighbours where they buy, say, meat, and swap it for cigs. If there is any positive recommendation for it, it might encourage people to interact more their community for the swaps!

people always find ways to circumvent govt interferance.
I do think though, that there needs changes, but to what the end user can access - so proper timely MhHand medical intervention. We are broke paying silly debts and this is all just sticking plasters and rearranging deckchairs on the titanic.

I totally hear you and am genuinely not sure what approach is the most humane/compassionate whilst also trying to ensure that monies are spent for the purpose intended? And how, should a magical solution be found, that is implemented and managed without an enormous cost and supporting bureaucracy. All of these benefits should operate on a mutual process of trust/honesty so that we can assume that claimants or genuine and there isn’t a culture of suspicion.

Thing is, I want to live in a society that supports its vulnerable, a compassionate society that offers a welfare safety net to those who hit hard times - I think that’s what Beveridge (?) envisioned when he dreamed the welfare state up back in 1947 ish. But to achieve this we’ve naively believed that human nature is altruistic and civic minded. Sadly the evidence seems to suggest the opposite and, in that case, it means that the self-serving gamers of the system have brought it to the brink of collapse, and it is those in most need who will suffer.

nicepotoftea · 14/10/2026 11:57

Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:01

I made this comment on another thread and thought I'd start a separate thread purely on this topic. This is all from my own personal experience rather than from reading/hearing anything, I'm only going off what I see day to day.
The people I know who claim PIP do not need it financially. One works full time and earns more than me (and I'm not at imminent risk of homelessness or starvation) and the young people I know literally tell me things like their PIP's come in so they're off to get a new tattoo, which they then do. They appear to have much more disposable income than me.
These are all people who can function in society by the way and as far as I can see, all PIP does is give them extra spending money, which I'm sure we'd all like.

I'm aware this won't be the case for everyone who recieves PIP but it is for the people I come into regular contact with. Which is why it needs reloooking at so it only goes to those who actually need the money for a specific purpose related to their disability.

We're not in a position as a society where we can afford to give people money who do not actually need it.
Things like this should be means tested, both in terms of whether people have enough income to live a decent life without additional benefits and in terms of what the money is actually going to be used for.
PIP is not fit for purpose and needs scrapping or totally changing.

The people I know who claim PIP do not need it financially.

That is not the point of PIP.

People get state education and NHS services even if they could afford private education and healthcare. Bereaved parents receive a payment regardless of their financial circumstances. Not everything is means tested. Why should tax payers pay taxes if they can't also benefit from the state?

Whether or not assessment for PIP is fit for purpose is another matter.

StockingsByTheFire · 14/10/2026 11:58

Kirbert2 · 14/10/2026 11:45

You don't even know the difference between PIP and DLA or the fact that a diagnosis isn't required for a child to be eligible for DLA. I'm not sure people should pay much attention to your opinions really.

There's no discernable difference. DLA just turns to pip when you're 16.

I'm fully aware, I've loathed those fucking forms for over a decade now.

You'll note in one of my previous posts that I say I have pip for one of my children. It's not because I don't know the difference between pip and DLA. I could call it JFJITHITH and the same points about the mockery it's become still stand.

TigerRag · 14/10/2026 11:59

redange · 14/10/2026 11:53

I am on the right of the political Spectrum a Reform Member, but when I hear the constant nonsense about PIP and the cheating that goes on I despair. Most of these people do not have a Clue what PIP is how you get it , how points are calculated. Instead, they listen to a very simplified explanation from Radio Jocks. Posters, also think every PIP payment is £900 a month again you understanding of Standard/ Enhanced Daily Living or Mobility issues. The reason the numbers exploded out of all reason is down to the dropping of Face- Face Assessments which (though not perfect and could create genuine discomfort where better than the current situation) . This, where someone phones up and asks. Also there could be up-to 2 million people out of the 3.9 Million who no longer qualify but the incompetence of the DWP does not address this situation.

Instead we have Welfare Bills that go out of control and put the 1.9 Million people that totally deserve PIP and far more; in to the sights of posters on here.

The numbers "exploded" because people were transferring from DLA to PIP

Snippit · 14/10/2026 11:59

I can no longer work due to having M.S, thank god my husband supports us as I wouldn’t survive on just PIP. Although my husband is being made redundant which I’m dreading. I use my PIP to buy Cannabis Oil from Curaleaf as the NHS still doesn’t prescribe it, even though Mat Hancock said they would, there’s still a barrier.

I don’t spend the money on tattoos or anything frivolous, you need to understand that many of us are genuine and have god awful disabilities, I wouldn’t wish M.S on anyone.

FourFruitSalads · 14/10/2026 11:59

How did he evidence his needs? We all know about the companies etc that help but they are actually not in the business of helping non disabled people

He described it to me as a tick box exercise. It was when I claimed it for my daughter but her case was cut and dried as she was at a daycentre for people with LD and is now in supported living. She is non verbal and cannot do anything at all independently so her tick boxes were all at the extreme end.

I don't think you actually have to provide any medical evidence especially if your tick boxes reach the required pip criteria.

willitevergetwarm · 14/10/2026 12:01

I sincerely hope that you never become so unwell with a permanent disability that you rely on benefits and PIP.

Yes some people take the proverbial but others are in genuine need and those are the ones who would suffer even more than they already to because some people simply cannot work due to their illness/disability.

It seems to be the norm these days that every day anyone on any benefit gets a bashing without their circumstances being known.

TigerRag · 14/10/2026 12:01

FourFruitSalads · 14/10/2026 11:59

How did he evidence his needs? We all know about the companies etc that help but they are actually not in the business of helping non disabled people

He described it to me as a tick box exercise. It was when I claimed it for my daughter but her case was cut and dried as she was at a daycentre for people with LD and is now in supported living. She is non verbal and cannot do anything at all independently so her tick boxes were all at the extreme end.

I don't think you actually have to provide any medical evidence especially if your tick boxes reach the required pip criteria.

You do have to provide evidence though? Else people would just say all kinds of stuff to get higher rates even though they don't actually meet the criteria

BillieWiper · 14/10/2026 12:02

I guess they could have a financial threshold. It's not enough money if you're having no savings etc, and are really unwell as able people don't realise the added costs of being disabled.

Lugol · 14/10/2026 12:02

HelenaWaiting · 14/10/2026 11:49

The suggestion isn't that your colleague is lying. HTH

I know that. His partner is the one who is lying HTH

keepingitclean · 14/10/2026 12:04

FourFruitSalads · 14/10/2026 11:59

How did he evidence his needs? We all know about the companies etc that help but they are actually not in the business of helping non disabled people

He described it to me as a tick box exercise. It was when I claimed it for my daughter but her case was cut and dried as she was at a daycentre for people with LD and is now in supported living. She is non verbal and cannot do anything at all independently so her tick boxes were all at the extreme end.

I don't think you actually have to provide any medical evidence especially if your tick boxes reach the required pip criteria.

The ignorance is so strong I cba even trying with this one

StockingsByTheFire · 14/10/2026 12:05

TigerRag · 14/10/2026 12:01

You do have to provide evidence though? Else people would just say all kinds of stuff to get higher rates even though they don't actually meet the criteria

Please read my PP about my lazy arse co worker and his "evidence"

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 12:05

The PIP brigade is out in full force on this thread and that's to be expected. Just a question? What will you do when the benefits are cut as that's the inevitable? There are too many people on PIP and DLA. A huge percentage are fraudulent claims. Bury your head in the sand as much as you like, this needs to be addressed.

gamerchick · 14/10/2026 12:06

Part of the problem is people just see PIP as money. Drived me utterly batshit. Take your ignorant drivel somewhere else is the politest thing I can think of saying that won't get me banned.

AnonyMumAuDHD · 14/10/2026 12:06

Kirbert2 · 14/10/2026 11:51

Why should it only apply to disability benefits though and surely it would be so expensive to overhaul, would it actually save any money?

If it should be the case for disability benefits then it should be the case for all benefits including pensions, UC, child benefit etc.

Yes, I do believe that it should apply across the board, but PIP was the focus of this thread. IMHO I also don’t think benefits should be paid long term - after 6-12m of unemployment there should be participation in compulsory retraining to acquire skills to meet local market requirements, in order to continue to receive them.

And yes, it could be costly to devise, set up and implement any alternative system… but what we are doing now is a loss/loss model with no exit or expiry date. And we have technology and AI that can be used very quickly to create admin systems/soft ware and to help run cost models. We just have to have a political will to want to genuinely explore alternatives.

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