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PIP isn't fit for purpose

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Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:01

I made this comment on another thread and thought I'd start a separate thread purely on this topic. This is all from my own personal experience rather than from reading/hearing anything, I'm only going off what I see day to day.
The people I know who claim PIP do not need it financially. One works full time and earns more than me (and I'm not at imminent risk of homelessness or starvation) and the young people I know literally tell me things like their PIP's come in so they're off to get a new tattoo, which they then do. They appear to have much more disposable income than me.
These are all people who can function in society by the way and as far as I can see, all PIP does is give them extra spending money, which I'm sure we'd all like.

I'm aware this won't be the case for everyone who recieves PIP but it is for the people I come into regular contact with. Which is why it needs reloooking at so it only goes to those who actually need the money for a specific purpose related to their disability.

We're not in a position as a society where we can afford to give people money who do not actually need it.
Things like this should be means tested, both in terms of whether people have enough income to live a decent life without additional benefits and in terms of what the money is actually going to be used for.
PIP is not fit for purpose and needs scrapping or totally changing.

OP posts:
Lomonald · 14/10/2026 11:23

Lifesd · 14/10/2026 11:20

He said so on LBC.

What else did he say ? There must have been context ?

keepingitclean · 14/10/2026 11:23

FreudvsJung · 14/10/2026 10:14

But people do scam the system. If one goes to the dr and says they are experiencing xyz symptom consistently, they will get a diagnosis/treatment. It’s long and tedious but there are people who are willing to dedicate and spend their time doing nonsense like this. I know of someone who fakes a whole MH condition. She was prescribed medication and takes it occasionally , just in case it comes up on the blood tests. She also works but it’s cash in hand so does not declare her income. However, there are people who genuinely need it and they should be supported to claim and make use of the money to support their disability/medical need.

But any diagnosis/treatment that doesn’t require a referral to a specialist is unlikely to mean the person meets the criteria for diagnosis. I mean I could tell the GP I have a sore back u til the cows come home, they could give me strong painkillers. Without a referral to investigate what is causing that sore back and subsequent evidence to show how it might impair me day to day I’m not going to be able to prove to a pip assessor that my ‘bad back’ means I meet any criteria.

WishIWasAPanda · 14/10/2026 11:23

HelpMyBlackLabradorVotesReform · 14/10/2026 10:12

Many disabled people can thrive without handouts.

PIP isn’t a handout. It’s a payment to help disabled people level up to having the same standard of living and opportunities as those that are abled.

HelenaWaiting · 14/10/2026 11:23

Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 09:11

Okay. It's true though. And I wasn't aware there'd been a load of posts of this nature already. 🤷‍♀️
I'm open to hearing other perspectives and accept I could have it wrong. This is just how I feel from working where I work and seeing what I see.

"There's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Elvis ..."

I get PIP. I'm not telling you why or what I spend it on. I don't have to justify myself to you. Nor do I believe, for a solitary second, that the vast numbers of people you "know" who get PIP, are telling you extensive details of their health condition and how they spend their money.

Incidentally, there are days when I "don't look disabled". And there are days when I can't move, judgy-pants.

OneInEight · 14/10/2026 11:24

I think unless you live with a person 24/7 you really have no idea how much there ill health / disability affects them. It took me ages to work that the reason my dsil is often dismissive of dh's problems is that he only sees / talks to her when he is having a good day and she never sees him on his bad ones.

TheSeventh · 14/10/2026 11:27

MissConductUS · 14/10/2026 11:21

I usually stay off these threads because I'm not British and don't understand all the details of the various benefits being discussed. I agree that society should support people in genuine need. What I find surprising and hard to understand is why spending on these benefits has grown so dramatically in recent years. And it does seem to a lot of competent observers that it's not sustainable, but politically it seems impossible to do anything to restrain it. And why are disability claims so much higher in Britain than in other industrialized countries? I don't know how this ends, but it seems likely to be painful. This ran in the WSJ yesterday:

The Welfare State Is Crushing Britain - The soaring number of people on disability and sickness benefits is blowing up the country’s welfare bill and imperiling its long-term financial stability

A few excerpts:

Some seven million people—more than 10% of the population—now claim at least one or more sickness or disability benefits. The numbers are growing fastest among working-age people who should be powering the country’s economy, surging more than 60% in the past six years to 4.7 million from 2.9 million in 2019.

Not including healthcare, the country will spend more than £100 billion this year on all types of welfare benefits for the sick and disabled, about a third more than defense spending. The tab has surged by a quarter in just four years and is on course to hit £130 billion in the next four, according to the government’s fiscal forecasts.

Many of the newer disability claims are for mental-health issues like depression, anxiety and ADHD, which can be harder for the government to verify than a physical disability. Between 2017 and 2025, disability claims for cancer doubled. But benefits claims for all psychiatric issues surged fourfold.

One benefit, created to help those with disabilities be more mobile, allows people to give up part of their welfare cash handout in return for a new car lease every three years. It now accounts for around one in every seven new car sales in the U.K. Among those who got new cars last year: 40 people whose primary medical condition was tennis elbow, 50 with wheat intolerance and 320 with dyslexia, according to government figures.

The scale of the payout has become a scandal. No other western country has seen such a rise in disability claims. In the U.S., the number of people getting federal disability payments has fallen in the past 15 years. The most recent figures show some 10.6 million working-age people in the U.S. claimed one or both main Social Security programs for people with a disability, in a country with a population five times bigger than the U.K.

This is what happens when you cut health and social care support, without early or often any intervention people become unwell.

FourFruitSalads · 14/10/2026 11:27

It is completely naive to think some claimants don’t lie to get extra benefits.
I know of a woman who lives with her partner but claims she doesn’t

My friend hired a private company to help him fill in the pip form in order to improve his chance of getting it, knowing he didn't fit the criteria. He's very proud of it and finds it amusing that he get "£500 a month for nowt"
He is single and on a generous pension and definitely does not need the money.
I was appalled when he told me. He asked me not to tell anyone else he was getting it.

My daughter gets pip but she has significant LD and will never live an independent life so it was doubly appalling to me. I'm afraid there are people who will try to claim pip and make false statements in order to get it, and in my experience it was someone who I absolutely wouldn't have believed would do this or anything like it.

plasticplate · 14/10/2026 11:28

Ljcrow · 14/10/2026 10:34

Here's how one conversation roughly went between me and a 21 year old:
Me: "Are you up to much this weekend?"
Them: "I'm off to get a new tattoo because I got paid today"
Me: "Oh I didn't know you had a job. Where do you work?"
Them: "No, I mean my PIP's been paid".
So it's not about people showing me their bank statements or giving me a full breakdown of their income and outgoings, it's about casual conversations such as these.
That's just one example of one conversation I've had. There's nothing I can do to prove it happened but I was there and it did!

A conversation that never happened. Yes people call benefits getting paid but going into specifics about PIP - no.

keepingitclean · 14/10/2026 11:29

FourFruitSalads · 14/10/2026 11:27

It is completely naive to think some claimants don’t lie to get extra benefits.
I know of a woman who lives with her partner but claims she doesn’t

My friend hired a private company to help him fill in the pip form in order to improve his chance of getting it, knowing he didn't fit the criteria. He's very proud of it and finds it amusing that he get "£500 a month for nowt"
He is single and on a generous pension and definitely does not need the money.
I was appalled when he told me. He asked me not to tell anyone else he was getting it.

My daughter gets pip but she has significant LD and will never live an independent life so it was doubly appalling to me. I'm afraid there are people who will try to claim pip and make false statements in order to get it, and in my experience it was someone who I absolutely wouldn't have believed would do this or anything like it.

How did he evidence his needs? We all know about the companies etc that help but they are actually not in the business of helping non disabled people. The person has to have a disability in the first place and even with third party input they must be able to evidence their condition.

ShanghaiDiva · 14/10/2026 11:29

OneInEight · 14/10/2026 11:24

I think unless you live with a person 24/7 you really have no idea how much there ill health / disability affects them. It took me ages to work that the reason my dsil is often dismissive of dh's problems is that he only sees / talks to her when he is having a good day and she never sees him on his bad ones.

Exactly! My Dd has a chronic health condition. So frustrating when people say to her that she looks fine. Perhaps they need to see her crawl upstairs to accept that she is telling the truth.
Additionally she doesn’t necessarily want to share her health issues with other people. When asked what she’s doing at the weekend she doesn’t say - I will be in bed all weekend as I need to recover from three exams I had this week.

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 11:30

Sooner or later you will have to face facts that PIP is just a luxury this country can't afford. 1in 5 kids diagnosed as having ADHD/Autism now and so claiming PIP along with the new arrivals. How much of the cash is actually spent on the needs of the kids? I don't mean chucking a pad in front of them. I'm afraid this benefit along with many others will become obsolete in 10yrs time. Who do you think will pay for it when the benefit needs outweigh the taxpayers? Simple maths could give you an idea. Do you expect us to borrow the money from overseas? The working class cannot sustain everybody. People will have to start cutting back on non essentials like tattoos, cigarettes and alcohol I'm afraid. Charity shops are inundated with items they can't sell. Perhaps they could be recycled instead of people buying more things online with the PIP money. Just a thought!

NotCaesarAugustus · 14/10/2026 11:31

Ok OP ... what is the purpose of PIP?

Think of something better!

My son was on PIP and it was brilliant.

How are you with maternity leave? Same sort of thing surely?

keepingitclean · 14/10/2026 11:32

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 11:30

Sooner or later you will have to face facts that PIP is just a luxury this country can't afford. 1in 5 kids diagnosed as having ADHD/Autism now and so claiming PIP along with the new arrivals. How much of the cash is actually spent on the needs of the kids? I don't mean chucking a pad in front of them. I'm afraid this benefit along with many others will become obsolete in 10yrs time. Who do you think will pay for it when the benefit needs outweigh the taxpayers? Simple maths could give you an idea. Do you expect us to borrow the money from overseas? The working class cannot sustain everybody. People will have to start cutting back on non essentials like tattoos, cigarettes and alcohol I'm afraid. Charity shops are inundated with items they can't sell. Perhaps they could be recycled instead of people buying more things online with the PIP money. Just a thought!

Edited

PIP is not for children.

WishIWasAPanda · 14/10/2026 11:34

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 11:30

Sooner or later you will have to face facts that PIP is just a luxury this country can't afford. 1in 5 kids diagnosed as having ADHD/Autism now and so claiming PIP along with the new arrivals. How much of the cash is actually spent on the needs of the kids? I don't mean chucking a pad in front of them. I'm afraid this benefit along with many others will become obsolete in 10yrs time. Who do you think will pay for it when the benefit needs outweigh the taxpayers? Simple maths could give you an idea. Do you expect us to borrow the money from overseas? The working class cannot sustain everybody. People will have to start cutting back on non essentials like tattoos, cigarettes and alcohol I'm afraid. Charity shops are inundated with items they can't sell. Perhaps they could be recycled instead of people buying more things online with the PIP money. Just a thought!

Edited

I’ll be sure to make sure I don’t continue to fritter my pip money away on silly things like the new wheelchair I am saving for, the crutches I have just bought.
silly me wasting it on grab rails for the bathroom so I can use the toilet last month, especially since I bought them online

thanks for the tip

AnonyMumAuDHD · 14/10/2026 11:35

Not going to go down the route of exploring those who may be lying to get PIP and focus on what I know from experience. [SORRY just realised this is a long reply.]

Not sure what the solution is, tbh. My DD gets PIP, but she is very disabled by her AuDHD because it co presents with ARFIDs, social anxiety/agoraphobia, self-harming and suicidal ideation. Our intention in claiming was to empower her to make decisions about treatment and medication options that we are forced to obtain privately (waited 5 year on CAMHS list before giving up and getting her assessed privately, only to find not ASC/ADHD support/therapy/assistance would be forthcoming via the NHS/SocServs anyway). We also intended this to be about scaffolding her into independence - an access course, degree and hopefully a job one day - so it was NOT about seeking a lifetime financial benefit. However, I think she may remain on it longer term if it evolves that FT work may be an issue with the current move away from hybrid work practices and flexible hours. We calculated that this year, with DBT group therapy, 121, private prescription charges we will have spent £12000. The £5,500 DD receives has helped, but also meant that she feels less guilty about being a burden, about feeling broken and as though this is all her fault (rather than a failure of the NHS to help her earlier), and that she has actively engaged in therapy because HER money has paid for it, directly. And we ARE seeing a slow, positive change in her. Finally.

So why am I chuntering on? Because I DO think that there may be issues with the way it is assessed and allocated - and the ethos underlying it. Technically I and my DS could also apply for PIP. We are both AuDHD and have individual needs that - were it not for the fact that I was lucky enough to marry a now successful [wealthy] man, to have benefited from the property boom, to have managed to find work easily/change jobs in the course of a week when I quit on a whim or couldn't cope throughout my 20s - I too could have needed PIP to cushion me and my DS through those periods. But I haven’t entirely because a) we have means to buy in the support we needed: we accessed private assessments, private therapy, private medication; we could afford for me not to work, to be the SAHP/carer for my DD from the age of 7; the list goes on. And b) because my periods of dysfunction have not lead to a negative financial impact on the family.

So, in part, I think it needs to change to consider whether there is a significantly negative financial impact flowing from the disability (not just new costs) and whether the household actually needs the additional funds to cushion it - and I think this was the initial intention that the severely mentally and physically disabled who needed 24hr support, specialist equipment/transport and incurred higher utility bills running equipment could have help.

And yes, I do believe there are some people with ‘short-term’ disabilities: illnesses that disable them in the short to medium term where PIP support is warranted for 6m periods, in tandem with therapy and a multi-agency [LOL fantasy] ‘back to work’ programmes supported by SS, GPs, OT and the employers, ie for claimants who are currently receiving PIP for 3-5 years without review. This needs to stop. 16yo’s being awarded PIP and getting arsy because mum isn’t giving them enough of their PIP in pocket money (another thread); families using it on general household running costs that would be no different if that child were NT - this is a farce. The basic test should be - what is the COST of this person’s disability. In my DD’s case, the increased cost of her disability is £12k this year, it probably does run at £5k a year so the PIP directly addresses additional needs and costs. My DS has, to date, only needed assessments and medication. Still expensive, but he will transition to a shared care agreement with GP and costs will be absorbed by the NHS that was. He has also needed a new laptop and hideously expensive software (and training), a personal printer/paper/ink in order to support uni. We didn’t need PIP for this as it came via the DSA at Student Finance England. So the ‘cost’ to us of his disability will have been either negligent or offset by direct provision of equipment and absorbed into the DSA budget.

So, rather than PIP, in some cases, I DO think that there is a case for provision of funded services, for utility bills to be paid by direct grant rather than the money going to the claimant; for a balance to be paid monthly into a Tesco/Aldi online account that can only used towards food/household items and delivered to the recipients home address - or receipts can be submitted to reclaim shopping expenses/utility bills just as people reclaim expenses at work.

I know such an overhaul will be expensive and it may feel very ‘nanny state’, dehumanising even, but the current system isn’t working and is unsustainable long term. We need cross party cooperation and brainstorming to really hammer out some workable solutions.

NattyKnitter116 · 14/10/2026 11:35

Dontcallmescarface · 14/10/2026 09:17

You do realise that the majority of people who work and receive PIP will be paying more in tax than they get in PIP. Something these PIP bashing threads fail to grasp.

Yes, of course you're absolutely right now i think about it - never thought about it like that before. My adult child who has a fairly low level admin job (he's definitely under employed but he has LD's) definitely pays more in taxes than he gets from PIP.

One of the reasons why PIP is being claimed so widely now is because of the change to the benefits system - you have to be receiving PIP to receive the disability premium (that may have changed to be fair, i dont know recent changes).
All the extra help that used to be there for people with disabilities and serious illness and MH issues has been gradually stripped away to nothing over the last 15 years - thank you George Osborne - and now there is nothing, no timely medical intervention, what there is, is oversubscribed.

The govt were warned about this - off course they ignored it. It was always said never vote tory is you are ill, disabled or sick as they always starve public services, and now we have Labour govt doing it - but frankly they dont have a lot of choice - its just a question of where they place the axe.
PIP is such a small facet of this - the demonisation of the disabled has been gathering a pace, to the point where, having spent years trying to get my child to be open with employers about their considerable difficulties, ive now had to advise him not to 'come out' at work as it were, unless its someone that needs to know.

So yeah, to the OP, you need to get out more and broaden your horizons. Don't know which kids you're working with but you need to grow some empathy and direct your disapproval towards a group who arnt ready swimming uphill every day.

StockingsByTheFire · 14/10/2026 11:35

johnworf · 14/10/2026 11:07

This is what I was trying to say.

So with.my DC, same. Years of doctors appointments, letters, consultants, medications.

All evidenced. School evidence too.

The useless twat at my work?

Takes himself to the doctor, bullshitting about his mental health for whatever reason he can think of that particular week. Doctor will issue sick notes over the phone, they don't care, costs them nothing and gets them off their desk, they'll just sign you off. There's his first bit of "evidence" to show he "can't" work.

Doctors won't provide additional services though, to chancers. But what you can do is self refer yourself to various waiting lists for counselling. Then, oh would you look at that, he's "awaiting treatment.". At no point is there a diagnosis. At no point has a doctor told them they need treatment. But people know how you can't prove mental health, so yeah, they just lie about it and are effectively untouchable. And they'll sue you if you suggest you can see what they are so fucking obviously doing. How dare you question their mental health.

I mean, if you've got any aspirations you can't be a dreg like that. Life and health insurance will skyrocket if you've got MH on your medical reports. But if you're planning on fiddling PIP for the rest of your life, you don't ever need a lump sum to pay off your mortgage because you typically don't have one. If your job will only ever be MW, who cares if you act like a twat playing their sick policy until you get sacked. It's not like you need a reference to get a MW job. You're only there to get hired then immediately go on the sick. It's only SSP, but it's money for no work eh.

So yes, it is that easy. It's a mockery to be honest.

WishIWasAPanda · 14/10/2026 11:35

NotCaesarAugustus · 14/10/2026 11:31

Ok OP ... what is the purpose of PIP?

Think of something better!

My son was on PIP and it was brilliant.

How are you with maternity leave? Same sort of thing surely?

And child benefit, pensions, tax free childcare vouchers, tax breaks on company cars….

EarthlyNightshade · 14/10/2026 11:36

SuziCoxx · 14/10/2026 11:30

Sooner or later you will have to face facts that PIP is just a luxury this country can't afford. 1in 5 kids diagnosed as having ADHD/Autism now and so claiming PIP along with the new arrivals. How much of the cash is actually spent on the needs of the kids? I don't mean chucking a pad in front of them. I'm afraid this benefit along with many others will become obsolete in 10yrs time. Who do you think will pay for it when the benefit needs outweigh the taxpayers? Simple maths could give you an idea. Do you expect us to borrow the money from overseas? The working class cannot sustain everybody. People will have to start cutting back on non essentials like tattoos, cigarettes and alcohol I'm afraid. Charity shops are inundated with items they can't sell. Perhaps they could be recycled instead of people buying more things online with the PIP money. Just a thought!

Edited

Under 16s can't claim PIP.

What's your evidence that "new arrivals" are claiming PIP?

Lugol · 14/10/2026 11:38

keepingitclean · 14/10/2026 11:18

It’s actually really hard to get PIP for a mental health condition that’s treated at GP level, so I suspect there is probably far more to it than you are being told. Meeting the criteria with simply GP input is unlikely.

Not sure why someone would lie about his partner for this, especially when he was trying to convince me for my son to do it.

Her parents both claim for the same thing. Unseen illness is easy to fake if you know what to say or do which is apparently what these groups are all about.

fridaynightzzz · 14/10/2026 11:39

I had to submit over 30 pages of evidence for DD, spent hours on the forms, and yet I could have just written ‘I want more money’ on a form and she would have gotten it apparently. Apparently it’s that east.
And yet huge numbers of people have to go to tribunal because they aren’t getting it with genuine issues.
It’s Schrödingers benefit - it’s both incredibly easy and impossible to get.

PetulaGordeno · 14/10/2026 11:43

Greenfishy · 14/10/2026 09:15

I also know someone who gets PIP for their child and then doesn’t spend it on anything to help the child - who does have genuine issues and would benefit from extra therapies etc.

People should have to provide receipts.

Honestly I would not be alive without it, and I’m an adult.
I am already under enough scrutiny as it is. I’ve been through a PIP tribunal which was brutal but that was 8 years ago now.
I do understand it’s frustrating for people but I already live every day absolutely terrified and to read these blanket statements worried me even more.
It could happen to you, as it happened to me. Having a lovely life, working, building a future and then a catastrophe happens which was none of your doing, you end up in hospital and then that’s your life.
I used to have a fantastic life and now I feel I’m treated like dirt. My former self, my education, my career, a respected member of society and in a split second, gone.
I would not wish it on my worst enemy.

liverpoolgal82 · 14/10/2026 11:44

But do you understand that it’s not means tested? So if I earn three times what you do - that’s my good luck, hard work etc…. But if I’m also disabled why should I have an extra cost due to my disability that you don’t have even if I’m earning way more than you? That’s then unfair on me to have to spend more of my income than you would - irrelevant that I earn more than you as it’s then penalising my extra money that I’d be getting extra than you anyway. Get it? It’s to stop anyone earning whatever they earn being less fortunate in parting with money they wouldn’t have to part with if they weren’t disabled. If I earn ten times more than you, why should my disability cost me £500 a month extra that yours doesn’t?

Luvvlyjubbly · 14/10/2026 11:45

I think it is def something that needs looking at . It’s supposed to be for buying things that will help with a disability , extra medication, aids around the house for the disability etc . I know , I’ve applied and not got it , I was told by a disability charity to appeal but I can get by and it’s too much stress with me having adhd . That said, I have a family relative who saves hers to treat her kids, she sends it abroad as her son lives overseas . They are fine for money, he runs a successful business so I totally agree where you are coming from. I also have a friend who is a translator. She told me the other day she has to sit in and translate for immigrants claiming pip etc , one lady faking a bad back, pretending not to be able to walk etc ,(when she knows they are fine when she’s been with them before for rent applications etc) Then there’s my poor daughter in law who is loosing her sight , she in her 20s , has a good job but needs help with getting around , extra taxis as she can’t drive now , I don’t begrudge her a penny of her PIP .

NattyKnitter116 · 14/10/2026 11:45

AnonyMumAuDHD · 14/10/2026 11:35

Not going to go down the route of exploring those who may be lying to get PIP and focus on what I know from experience. [SORRY just realised this is a long reply.]

Not sure what the solution is, tbh. My DD gets PIP, but she is very disabled by her AuDHD because it co presents with ARFIDs, social anxiety/agoraphobia, self-harming and suicidal ideation. Our intention in claiming was to empower her to make decisions about treatment and medication options that we are forced to obtain privately (waited 5 year on CAMHS list before giving up and getting her assessed privately, only to find not ASC/ADHD support/therapy/assistance would be forthcoming via the NHS/SocServs anyway). We also intended this to be about scaffolding her into independence - an access course, degree and hopefully a job one day - so it was NOT about seeking a lifetime financial benefit. However, I think she may remain on it longer term if it evolves that FT work may be an issue with the current move away from hybrid work practices and flexible hours. We calculated that this year, with DBT group therapy, 121, private prescription charges we will have spent £12000. The £5,500 DD receives has helped, but also meant that she feels less guilty about being a burden, about feeling broken and as though this is all her fault (rather than a failure of the NHS to help her earlier), and that she has actively engaged in therapy because HER money has paid for it, directly. And we ARE seeing a slow, positive change in her. Finally.

So why am I chuntering on? Because I DO think that there may be issues with the way it is assessed and allocated - and the ethos underlying it. Technically I and my DS could also apply for PIP. We are both AuDHD and have individual needs that - were it not for the fact that I was lucky enough to marry a now successful [wealthy] man, to have benefited from the property boom, to have managed to find work easily/change jobs in the course of a week when I quit on a whim or couldn't cope throughout my 20s - I too could have needed PIP to cushion me and my DS through those periods. But I haven’t entirely because a) we have means to buy in the support we needed: we accessed private assessments, private therapy, private medication; we could afford for me not to work, to be the SAHP/carer for my DD from the age of 7; the list goes on. And b) because my periods of dysfunction have not lead to a negative financial impact on the family.

So, in part, I think it needs to change to consider whether there is a significantly negative financial impact flowing from the disability (not just new costs) and whether the household actually needs the additional funds to cushion it - and I think this was the initial intention that the severely mentally and physically disabled who needed 24hr support, specialist equipment/transport and incurred higher utility bills running equipment could have help.

And yes, I do believe there are some people with ‘short-term’ disabilities: illnesses that disable them in the short to medium term where PIP support is warranted for 6m periods, in tandem with therapy and a multi-agency [LOL fantasy] ‘back to work’ programmes supported by SS, GPs, OT and the employers, ie for claimants who are currently receiving PIP for 3-5 years without review. This needs to stop. 16yo’s being awarded PIP and getting arsy because mum isn’t giving them enough of their PIP in pocket money (another thread); families using it on general household running costs that would be no different if that child were NT - this is a farce. The basic test should be - what is the COST of this person’s disability. In my DD’s case, the increased cost of her disability is £12k this year, it probably does run at £5k a year so the PIP directly addresses additional needs and costs. My DS has, to date, only needed assessments and medication. Still expensive, but he will transition to a shared care agreement with GP and costs will be absorbed by the NHS that was. He has also needed a new laptop and hideously expensive software (and training), a personal printer/paper/ink in order to support uni. We didn’t need PIP for this as it came via the DSA at Student Finance England. So the ‘cost’ to us of his disability will have been either negligent or offset by direct provision of equipment and absorbed into the DSA budget.

So, rather than PIP, in some cases, I DO think that there is a case for provision of funded services, for utility bills to be paid by direct grant rather than the money going to the claimant; for a balance to be paid monthly into a Tesco/Aldi online account that can only used towards food/household items and delivered to the recipients home address - or receipts can be submitted to reclaim shopping expenses/utility bills just as people reclaim expenses at work.

I know such an overhaul will be expensive and it may feel very ‘nanny state’, dehumanising even, but the current system isn’t working and is unsustainable long term. We need cross party cooperation and brainstorming to really hammer out some workable solutions.

Edited

understand a lot of what you are saying, but i am telling you that as someone who had to claim supplementary benefit when i had a baby (now UC) and received milk tokens, it was definitely humiliating having to use those in the supermarket, and there was a lot of judgement even back in the 90's.
the restricted card thing will be useless as people who want to buy cigarettes will just have an arrangement with one of their neighbours where they buy, say, meat, and swap it for cigs. If there is any positive recommendation for it, it might encourage people to interact more their community for the swaps!

people always find ways to circumvent govt interferance.
I do think though, that there needs changes, but to what the end user can access - so proper timely MhHand medical intervention. We are broke paying silly debts and this is all just sticking plasters and rearranging deckchairs on the titanic.

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