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To make a complaint that at an awards ceremony at school, the head teacher commented on every single girl, that got an award looks, yet didn't say one word regarding a single boys looks?

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Beefybaby · Yesterday 15:05

I mean I feel ungrateful but it made me feel so uncomfortable,so it was a special assembly that parents attended where one boy and one girl from each class wo an award for the previous year

the head that's usually pretty good in general, yet in every mini speech he gave about the children, every single girl had some sort of comment about being gorgeous...just made me rage
Alongside all the other comments about how hard working they are, their good values like kindness etc yet there wasn't one single comment regarding any of the boys looks

It's just so insidious and depressing

OP posts:
Boreded · Yesterday 16:10

MozzieFreeZone · Yesterday 16:08

@Boreded
It's right there in the title and in the opening post - he said it about every single girl.

Yes, but you know as well as I do that threads are full of exaggerations and overreactions. We also don’t know the actual number of girls he said it to. All could have been 3 or 30. Or 3 out of 30. OP isn’t likely to actually provide a proper count now either because it doesn’t fit with the narrative for it to be anything other than ALL

scienceteachersarefun · Yesterday 16:12

GreenSlippers44 · Yesterday 16:01

By this logic no teacher/doctor/police officer or anyone else in a position of power would ever commit an offence 🧐

They do. However, they get reported. Then they face the consequences.
If people witness, but just ignore it or say "oh worse things happen in private schools" or "he's old" then they are culpable by omission.

SabrinaBricklayer · Yesterday 16:12

PoppieCock · Yesterday 16:05

No of course not?

Well not necessarily anyway.

'And she's absolutely gorgeous' is about her.

If he'd said 'And she LOOKS absolutely gorgeous' that would be about her looks.

I wouldn’t like a teacher using the word gorgeous at my daughter, unless it was something like her painting is gorgeous, the dress she made is gorgeous, her cake was gorgeous, that kind of thing. Anything else I don’t see it as necessary to use that word in a school setting.

scienceteachersarefun · Yesterday 16:12

Boreded · Yesterday 16:09

Because teenage boys aren’t usually known for their kindness and loveliness, I’m sure they got some other compliments that suited the individual.

Not everyone has the same qualities

Isn't it a primary school?

Alittlefrustrated · Yesterday 16:14

SpanielsAreChaosDemons · Yesterday 15:56

And it would be purely coincidental that it was all the girls and none of the boys?

As the mother of a boy, and also a volunteer in a primary school, I can see this happening 🤣

PoppieCock · Yesterday 16:14

SabrinaBricklayer · Yesterday 16:12

I wouldn’t like a teacher using the word gorgeous at my daughter, unless it was something like her painting is gorgeous, the dress she made is gorgeous, her cake was gorgeous, that kind of thing. Anything else I don’t see it as necessary to use that word in a school setting.

If a painting and a cake can be gorgeous, so can a personality.

I guess it's just personal opinion.

scienceteachersarefun · Yesterday 16:15

Beefybaby · Yesterday 15:55

I already have and I'm just repeating myself over and over at this point...

So get off MN and report to the Governors and Ofsted.

Agatha1989 · Yesterday 16:16

Surely gorgeous is a description, not necessarily related to someone’s appearance?

scienceteachersarefun · Yesterday 16:16

PoppieCock · Yesterday 16:14

If a painting and a cake can be gorgeous, so can a personality.

I guess it's just personal opinion.

We're not allowed to make personal remarks which include judgment about appearance, positive or negative

Suchevilforebodings · Yesterday 16:18

OP, I get where you are coming from. You like the head, you like the school, you think it was all well intended but still inappropriate and needing addressed but you don't want to be too harsh because he's generally very good and you have no other concerns.

You can write an email but not necessarily a complaint if you don't feel you want to go that far. Something like

Dear Headteacher,
I wanted to raise a concern following the recent awards ceremony, which I hope you’ll take in the constructive spirit intended.
I was uncomfortable that, when introducing the girls receiving awards, comments were made about their physical appearance, describing them as “gorgeous” alongside their achievements and personal qualities. I didn’t notice similar comments being made about the boys.
I appreciate these remarks may have been intended kindly, and I want to stress that I’m otherwise very happy with the school and the positive environment you’ve created. However, I feel that commenting on girls’ looks in a setting where their achievements, values and character are being celebrated sends an unhelpful message, particularly to children. It risks reinforcing the idea that girls’ appearance is something to be highlighted alongside, or even as part of, their accomplishments, in a way that doesn’t seem to be expected of boys.
I’m not suggesting this was intentional, but I do feel it’s important to raise, as I believe all children should be recognised on equal terms for their achievements and qualities, without their appearance being brought into it.
Thank you for taking the time to consider my concerns. I hope you’ll understand why I felt it was worth raising.
Kind regards,
BeefyBaby

I hope that's helpful

UncannyFanny · Yesterday 16:19

In other words I can’t think of anything else to complain about today so how about this?

SpanielsAreChaosDemons · Yesterday 16:19

Alittlefrustrated · Yesterday 16:14

As the mother of a boy, and also a volunteer in a primary school, I can see this happening 🤣

😅

PoppieCock · Yesterday 16:20

scienceteachersarefun · Yesterday 16:16

We're not allowed to make personal remarks which include judgment about appearance, positive or negative

Which is what makes me think he was referring to her personality.

scienceteachersarefun · Yesterday 16:21

PoppieCock · Yesterday 16:20

Which is what makes me think he was referring to her personality.

Yes, could have been, @Beefybaby hadn't been very clear.

MozzieFreeZone · Yesterday 16:22

But @PoppieCock
Was he referring to every single girl's personality? And if so why could he not have said the same about the boys?

QueenietheGreat · Yesterday 16:25

@Beefybaby
Ooooof!
If you feel that happened you have a right to report it but
Cannot/not quite believe it though that a headteacher would openly be so daft,
Especially in this day and age!

Bundleflower · Yesterday 16:26

Beefybaby · Yesterday 15:55

I already have and I'm just repeating myself over and over at this point...

Apologies, I had read some of that post whilst scrolling and had thought it was another poster taking the micky. Yeah, don’t buy it.

SabrinaBricklayer · Yesterday 16:29

PoppieCock · Yesterday 16:20

Which is what makes me think he was referring to her personality.

Who is her? It was all the girls (apparently).

@Beefybaby Did he comment on each boy’s personality?

SabrinaBricklayer · Yesterday 16:31

Wouldn’t this have landed badly with some of the teachers?

scienceteachersarefun · Yesterday 16:31

SabrinaBricklayer · Yesterday 16:31

Wouldn’t this have landed badly with some of the teachers?

If it happened, they'll already have complained.

Moonnstarz · Yesterday 16:32

Yes if you knew it was a direct comment on appearance then I would question the use of wording. However some people would use gorgeous to describe the child as being overall a great kid with a lovely character. They are a gorgeous child.

ShanghaiDiva · Yesterday 16:32

Beefybaby · Yesterday 15:53

Well I'm actually heartened by the vote count,
but it's gonna make me feelbad complaining as, I believe it was well intended and designed to actually boost them up

It’s completely inappropriate behaviour. I work in a school in a non teaching role and we complete training every year on safeguarding and how to interact with pupils/learners and these comments are no appropriate.

OrangeFlower14 · Yesterday 16:33

There must be other people who will be making a complaint, I reckon. So you should definitely do it.

ShanghaiDiva · Yesterday 16:34

Moonnstarz · Yesterday 16:32

Yes if you knew it was a direct comment on appearance then I would question the use of wording. However some people would use gorgeous to describe the child as being overall a great kid with a lovely character. They are a gorgeous child.

Given that a lot of people use the adjective gorgeous to refer to a person’s appearance then it’s not an ideal adjective for any teacher to use when describing a pupil.

powershowerforanhour · Yesterday 16:36

I like the email suggested by a PO.

I use gorgeous to describe looks- beautiful, v physically attractive.
For personality I would say lovely, pleasant, kind, really nice. I understand that's not how all people use it but enough people only use it to describe looks for it to be not a good word for an adult male to say about female children under his control (or either sex to say about either sex really esp where there is a power imbalance or you don't know the other person really well and that they are ok with it).

I say hello gorgeous to my husband and to dogs and cats. Might say it to my close female colleagues, if we're pissing about in fake cockney accents, or would say they look gorgeous if they're dressed up to the nines on a night out . No way would I say it to or about a male colleague whether they were present or not, or about a student, or about anyone sort of reticent about that kind of thing who wouldn't say it themselves.

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