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IfIHadAHeart · Yesterday 23:57

A relative of my exH died recently and has left a fairly substantial inheritance to my DCs. This has some as a complete surprise. One of my DCs is over 18 but the other is not.

The relative has not left anything to my DCs cousin. No idea why, or whether the will might even predate the cousin’s birth. If so, there were still many years in which to update the will if the relative had wanted to, and they were of sound mind throughout.

exMIL believes my DC should split their inheritance with the cousin. She believes my eldest DC should give the majority of their share to the cousin upon receiving the money, and that my youngest DC should then top up eldest when they turn 18 and can access the funds.

Eldest DC has said no, with my backing. I’m now getting rather unpleasant messages from my exH, MIL and SIL (parent of the excluded cousin) about the unfairness of it all and that my DC are selfish.

AIBU to support eldest DC to stand their ground?

OP posts:
Leopardspota · Today 09:34

If MIL is so bothered then she can adjust for this in her own will. Leaving the cousin +33k compared to other grandchildren.

I think your dc have been named and it was ‘willful’ therefore should be honoured.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · Today 09:35

FuppinNora · Today 09:31

It would also surely attract heavy capital gains tax, to give "gift" to cousin then a few years later brother to brother.

I would be more in favour of 1st giving him a share and 2nd giving him a share when he turns 18. You said the cousin is under 18 so doesn't need it right now.

I suppose if you look at like this if the cousin and 1 of your children got a share would you say tough luck to your other son?

If the situation was that older son and cousin had both put time and energy into visiting this older family connection and helping him in his later years, but the younger son hadn't done that, then yes, I'd expect the younger son not to be upset that he didn't get the same windfall as his brother and cousin.

I don't think it would have any CGT consequences, by the way, but I am not a tax expert. I suspect the only tax involved would be inheritance tax, but given the age of those involved that's probably not much of a concern.

Jiddles · Today 09:35

Can you ask to see a copy of the will? (Are theyonline somewhere?) I think the date it was made is the crucial point. If it was written before the cousin was born, it might be that the relation just never thought to update it to include them (a decent solicitor / will writer would have worded it to include children as yet unborn, but maybe the relation did a "write your own" will). In that case I can see the unfairness to the cousin and might encourage your DC to give them something, though not in the way that has been suggested and it is not an obligation,

If, however, the will was made after the birth of the cousin (and the relation was aware of that birth), then it was the relation's deliberate intention to leave them out, for whatever reason. Perhaps the relation disliked the cousin's parents, or thought your own DC would get more benefit from the money. Perhaps they wanted to show their gratitude to your DC for the grass-cutting and visits - not the cousin's fault for not having a relationship with the relation, as they are a child, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles. It was the relation's decision, they were entitled to leave their money however they chose, and your DC have absolutely no responsibility to change that.

What's the point of a will, if people think others should feel obliged to alter its stated wishes after the writer’s death, to suit their own ideas of "fairness"?

LivingThe50sDream · Today 09:35

It sounds like you have a couple of nice, polite children who went round to an elderly sick extended member of family and helped out, and this relative ended up having a soft spot for them. Their good deed has been recognised.

The relative left it mostly to charity because they probably saw your in-laws for what they are and felt they didn’t deserve it. They did however feel your DC deserve it.

If it was your exFIL or MIL leaving the money I might think differently, but it’s not. It’s extended in law family. It might as well be your elderly neighbour who you’ve been nice to.

Making your eldest hand over the bulk now is an absolute NO.

Personally I think it’s a big fat NO. You don’t have the funds to bung your DC money to help in the future and this is perhaps their one chance to get on the property ladder. Your ex should be sticking up for them.

It’s actually non of their business.

MySaintedAunt · Today 09:36

StuNur85 · Today 00:26

Na fuck them your mil doesn't get to overrule the deceased persons wishes for their estate. If they wanted the cousin in the will they'd have put them in it. Stand firm on that.

This.
The deceased decided who they wanted their money to go to. It was absolutely their right to do that, and no-one gets to override it after their death.
Your MIL might not like it, but it's not her will and not her money.

storyinside · Today 09:37

Surely in asking for a share of the money on the grounds of fairness for the cousin, somebody in the family must have mentioned when the will was actually written?

If it was written before the birth if the cousin, they may have a point I suppose, as lots of people forget to update wills. But if it was written if updated recently, then that is very explicit.

rwalker · Today 09:37

I’ve changed my mind having read you updated
the fact your kids cut the grass for them and pop into see them does change it for me
and the fact they left there sibling nothing and rest to charity does indicate they knew exactly what they were doing rather than leaving money to some distant relative who left because they had no one else

Sassylovesbooks · Today 09:38

I have 2 cousins on my Mum's side of the family. I was left money by my grandmother's cousin, in her Will but my 2 cousins weren't. My parents would take me to visit my grandmother's cousin, as she lived a few doors down from my grandmother on the same street. My cousin's parents on the other hand, never bothered with my grandmother's cousin, and didn't take their children to visit her.

My grandmother's cousin clearly appreciated my parents visiting and taking me with them. My grandmother received a small monetary inheritance, as did my Mum and my Dad a picture from the cousin as well, the rest went to charity.

Your children OP, were clearly thought of well by the person who passed away. They appreciated what your children chose to do for them. The other cousin's contact with this person, would have wholly depended on their parents, taking her/him to see this person. We can only concluded, that the parents didn't bother, as in my cousin's case.

viques · Today 09:40

Thisisntme1 · Today 04:38

If your son and you decide that you did want to share and the cousin is the youngest.
Could your son put $17k into an account for his youngest brother and keep his $33k share and then when your younger son turns 18 (at or around the same time as the youngest cousin asking for her share), he can gift the $33k from his and then he’ll have the $17k to top his up.
God I hope that makes sense

Not really, and it makes a lot of assumptions. Firstly that the decision to share or not share has anything to do with the OP. It doesn’t, the money is bequeathed to the OPs children, not the OP.And the OP makes it clear that she abides by her childrens decisions, whatever they might be.

that the cousins are willing to share, and share equally

that they would all stick to the agreement

that nothing will happen to any of the cousins before any money was distributed, eg incapacitating illness, or even death.

And supposing in the meantime the pushy parent of the youngest cousin has another child, will they then expect the money to be split four ways? They sound crazy enough to suggest it!

Springtimeinsunshine · Today 09:41

Imdunfer · Today 09:20

Read my post properly.

I did.

but if these were my boys I would encourage them to share their totally unexpected good fortune with their cousin, in the way I have described.
That would be classed as financial coercion/abuse and is a crime.

thepariscrimefiles · Today 09:41

Imdunfer · Today 09:13

I don't think the relatives of the cousin have much to do with it. She's a child, the youngest of the 3 cousins, she cannot help how her parents behave. She's a child with an equal blood relationship and we have no answer on when the will was written, so we don't know if leaving her out was an accident or deliberate.

And if it was deliberate, that has no bearing on whether the person who receives the money decides to keep it or not, that's for them to decide. Though I notice on this forum that many people would use "it's how the will was so it's what the dead person wanted" as a reason for some morally questionable actions.

It would be different if this relative has spoken to them about their legacy. Others are free to feel differently, but if these were my boys I would encourage them to share their totally unexpected good fortune with their cousin, in the way I have described.

Edited

Neither the OP's children nor the younger cousin are blood relatives of the deceased as this is a relative by marriage. It's obvious that OP's children were included in the will because they maintained a relationship with this relative and helped them when they were ill.

The deceased was obviously fond of OP's children and the fact that the rest of the estate went to charity is a very clear sign that they disliked the rest of the family and actively did not want them to benefit from their will.

Loub1987 · Today 09:42

What is this weird vestment scheme of inheritance that you ex MIL has proposed?! It’s like a Ponzi scheme.

Anyway, none of her business and it is your child’s money. Go no contact with them. Doesn’t sound like it would be much of a loss.

Hope your children make good use of the money.

IfIHadAHeart · Today 09:43

Dawninglory · Today 09:28

The person who died is entitled to leave their money to whomever they choose. They obviously valued your children being there for the cups of tea/ mowing the lawn. I know their cousin is younger but did ExSIL ever visit them/ do errands for them? Probably not. And your ExPIL do they have an equal relationship with your children and cousin? Or do they favour Cousin?
I would tell my children to keep the money and not share it as they had a relationship with the person and that is what they wanted, to help them get ahead in life.

I don’t know the answers to some of this eg what relationship the deceased had with the cousin/cousin’s parents. One of the parents is a nutter - think physically assaulting me in a bar because I was seen talking to a man whilst still married (innocently, not that it actually matters). I don’t see them as the caring, visiting type but I’ve thankfully been divorced long enough not to have much understanding of current family dynamics.

Ex PIL don’t favour the cousin, to my knowledge. It’s certainly not a worry my DC have ever mentioned. They are younger and so ex PIL do still assist with childcare I think whereas obviously my DC are older and don’t need it.

OP posts:
Fairiecat · Today 09:43

Absolutely bloody no! The will was specific. The key here is the “EX”…EXH, EXMIL etc. All your exH will do is alienate his own kids, so stand firm - I agree with another commenter, there will be more to the deceased’s decision making than there seems. Don’t back down!

Soozikinzii · Today 09:43

I agree with the PP who put the MiL can redress the balance in her own will . You can even prewarn your DC that this may well happen and thats fine hopefully its well in the future and your DC will be established by then ..

Schoolchoicesucks · Today 09:43

I find this tricky.
I don't think MIL should be pressuring your eldest to give his cousin the majority of his inheritance.

If all the cousins were over 18 and there was no obvious reason to anyone why the youngest cousin had been excluded, and all cousins had good relationships, then I think rebalancing would be the best.

However that's not the situation and expecting the eldest DC to make everything square while waiting years on the expectation that his sibling will give him more money is too convoluted and fraught with potential ways for it to go wrong and leave your eldest in an unfair position.

I think that eldest could choose to gift cousin a portion (say £10k of their £50k). And when youngest turns 18 they could choose to do the same. Or MIL could be told that if she feels so strongly about youngest cousin being left without that she can gift them £50k herself (either now or in her will).

socialbatteryisdead · Today 09:44

A will is a will. I’d block the ex’s family.

OVienna · Today 09:45

thepariscrimefiles · Today 09:41

Neither the OP's children nor the younger cousin are blood relatives of the deceased as this is a relative by marriage. It's obvious that OP's children were included in the will because they maintained a relationship with this relative and helped them when they were ill.

The deceased was obviously fond of OP's children and the fact that the rest of the estate went to charity is a very clear sign that they disliked the rest of the family and actively did not want them to benefit from their will.

The DCs inheriting and the cousin are related to the deceased - it is a great aunt or uncle situation.

It is the OP who is the in-law.

StockingsByTheFire · Today 09:49

@IfIHadAHeart have you not seen this will?

Why are you avoiding mentioning the date it was written?

thepariscrimefiles · Today 09:50

OVienna · Today 09:45

The DCs inheriting and the cousin are related to the deceased - it is a great aunt or uncle situation.

It is the OP who is the in-law.

OP has said

'The relative is actually an in law of my ex PIL - their spouse died many years ago and they remained close afterwards.'

So OP's DC and the cousin aren't blood relatives of the deceased.

IfIHadAHeart · Today 09:51

StockingsByTheFire · Today 09:49

@IfIHadAHeart have you not seen this will?

Why are you avoiding mentioning the date it was written?

I’m not avoiding anything - I expressly said I don’t know when the will was written. The deceased only passed away a matter of days ago. I am not close enough to the family to have seen it, I have only been told of the contents by my exH. Probate has not yet been granted, obviously, and so I cannot search for the will online.

OP posts:
writingsonthewall · Today 09:52

Not sure if anyone’s said this but I would want to know when the will was written. If it was before the cousin was born I think I’d share, if after then no.
I know the person had time to update it but they may have thought it was to be shared among that family later without naming specifically.

IfIHadAHeart · Today 09:53

OVienna · Today 09:45

The DCs inheriting and the cousin are related to the deceased - it is a great aunt or uncle situation.

It is the OP who is the in-law.

The deceased was married to FILs brother, who passed away many years ago.

OP posts:
writingsonthewall · Today 09:53

But clearly it’s not up to OP anyway. But yeah that would be the advice I’d give to my children

OVienna · Today 09:55

IfIHadAHeart · Today 09:53

The deceased was married to FILs brother, who passed away many years ago.

Ah sorry

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