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Family member's newborn – WWYD?

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CrumpetConnoisseur · Yesterday 15:10

My cousin has recently brought her tiny premature baby home after a stay in NICU. She weighs less than 5lbs.
She sent me a photo of the baby asleep on her tummy in her Moses basket and said that this is the position she settles best in.
I have to admit I’m quite concerned. I know babies shouldn’t generally be put down to sleep on their fronts, and with her being so premature and tiny, it makes me particularly nervous.
My cousin also doesn’t want to use a breathing or movement monitor such as an Owlet, which adds to my worry, although I appreciate these aren’t recommended as a substitute for safe sleeping practices.

Obviously, I’m not her baby’s parent and I don’t want to come across as judgemental or interfere with how she’s looking after her. I also don’t know whether the NICU team has given her any specific advice regarding sleeping positions.

Would you be concerned in this situation? Would you say something to her, or leave it alone because it’s not your baby?
I just want the little one to be safe, but I also don’t want to overstep the mark.

OP posts:
FlowerVases · Yesterday 15:58

supportAct · Yesterday 15:55

Who cares what the parents think. They obviously need some gentle guidance on how to keep their baby safe.

If they choose not to talk to you after you intervene you haven't done anyone a favour.

Greenismyfavouritecolournow · Yesterday 15:58

If the father smoked indoors while she was pregnant and she allowed it then mentioning something won’t make any difference to what they do. Smoking is one of the factors of premature birth. Having had a micro preemie myself though the baby probably needs to be fed every couple of hours. The parents will be highly alert to the needs of the baby and if the baby was very preen then they will probably have a dummy ( used to help them learn to suck if born before 33/34 weeks ) which also reduces the risk of sids. Without knowing what the parents are like in general I’m not sure what I’d do in this situation tbh.

AllIwantForChrismasIsAKitchenAidStandMixer · Yesterday 15:58

CrumpetConnoisseur · Yesterday 15:44

@mathanxiety yes he smoked indoors while she was pregnant. I’m hoping he smokes outside now she’s born. But I don’t know.

This is much worse imo. And I am actually quite sympathetic to the difficulties smokers face in giving up, particularly at a time of high stress and pressure. He should be doing it outside, wearing a different t shirt or an over jacket and changing when he comes back in, washing his hands and face afterwards

supportAct · Yesterday 15:59

FlowerVases · Yesterday 15:58

If they choose not to talk to you after you intervene you haven't done anyone a favour.

But if they change their ways and it keeps the baby alive then it was worth mentioning.

Most people wouldn’t forgive themselves not saying anything and then the baby dies.

Greenismyfavouritecolournow · Yesterday 16:00

If the baby is formula fed I’d be more worried than if they are bf or fed pumped bm. Lots of factors involved with preventing sids. My dd came home weighing 4lb 4 oz so I have some experience.

MrsBrianJones · Yesterday 16:00

chirrupybird · Yesterday 15:54

I would just say I was told babies shouldn't sleep on their tummies has the guidance changed or is it different for prem babies? In an interested tone, not you're doing it all wrong. She may say that was what she was advised to do or she may go and look it up if she's been doing it because baby goes to sleep more easily like that. But you will have said what you think you need to without causing an upset.

This is the way, do it in a manner that comes across as interested and not critical.

Isittimeformynapyet · Yesterday 16:01

semideponent · Yesterday 15:55

Logic error here: a pissed off mother doesn't necessarily mean a safer baby.

She was taking a photo of the baby which shows she was present and observing her baby at least while she took it! I think you're right to think carefully before saying anything as that kind of sharing probably won't continue if it meets with implied criticism.

I would go gently and just try to find out more. Has she any pictures from NICU? What has she got by way of follow up support? How's that going? What's the difference if the baby sleeps on front or back? What worries does she have in this post-hospital phase? That way you might get more info about whether this situation is the result of e.g. ignorance (unlikely given NICU context) maternal instinct, maternal stress or advice from someone else, personal or professional.

(I also wonder if partner smokes inside as this would affect the risk factors I assume.)

Logic error here: a pissed off mother doesn't necessarily mean a safer baby.

What a strange thing to say (and illogical, ironically). Nobody is suggesting that a baby's safety requires the mother to be pissed off.

FlowerVases · Yesterday 16:01

supportAct · Yesterday 15:59

But if they change their ways and it keeps the baby alive then it was worth mentioning.

Most people wouldn’t forgive themselves not saying anything and then the baby dies.

It's sounds like the are killing the baby. Sorry.

Terfedout · Yesterday 16:02

FlowerVases · Yesterday 15:17

None of your business. After a stay in NICU the parents are fit to handle a baby.

She is just asking for advise. No need to be harsh.

nocoolnamesleft · Yesterday 16:08

NICUs always transition to sleeping premmies to sleeping on their back before coming off monitoring. The SUDI risk is already increased due to being premature and dad smoking. Adding to the risk with unsafe sleeping seems foolish. I hope they get away with it.

Shrewsburywithanoo · Yesterday 16:11

FlowerVases · Yesterday 15:17

None of your business. After a stay in NICU the parents are fit to handle a baby.

They might not be particularly fit parents, but sure risk the baby dying rather than have an awkward conversation

InQuiresandplaceswheretheysing · Yesterday 16:12

Lucyintheskywithnoidea · Yesterday 15:13

Maybe ask if that’s how the NICU team advised her to put the baby down?

I doubt it. They are very hot on date sleep guidelines. However very poorly babies are put on their front sometimes, but they are closely monitored.

ClairDeLaLune · Yesterday 16:13

Motomum23 · Yesterday 15:12

Most i would do is say 'oh I could never bring myself to put my little ones like that I would be constantly worried about sids'. Then leave her to it, you've delivered a subtle warning.

Subtle? As a brick.

ForPeas · Yesterday 16:18

How close are you? Close enough to speak on the phone? I think sharing concern about the sleeping position would be easier delivered over the phone rather than by text where it could be misinterpreted as judgemental.

The smoking - do you know if he is still smoking in the house? Are you likely to be going to visit any time soon? If so, I would wait and see if you are there when he smokes before saying anything related to that as he may well now do so outside. And if you pile both things together, she will likely get defensive.

Dryshampoofordays · Yesterday 16:19

if you felt concerned you could send a genuinely curious reply… “have you been advised to let her sleep on her front? Is it safe?”And a link to the lullaby trust safe sleep guidelines. She might not know.

I wouldn’t worry about her being on her front on mum’s chest as long as mum is awake?

I always co slept but knew how to have a safe set up.

KathleenDarleenDayKnight · Yesterday 16:21

The sleeping thing is not idea, the smoking thing is awful if he's doing it in the house around a premature baby.

SweetnsourNZ · Yesterday 16:21

Maybe she is going to turn baby once she is asleep. 2 out of my 4 used to settle on their tummies then I turned them once they were asleep. Only took a few minutes and I watched them.
Is she also keeping the Moses basket beside her so would notice any changes anyway.
As she is your cousin it's not unreasonable to mention your concerns in a tactful way. Maybe ask her when the baby will be big enough to sleep on her back?

Gengha · Yesterday 16:22

FlowerVases · Yesterday 15:25

Again none if your business. Leave them alone.

Just because you clearly wouldn’t give a toss doesn’t mean that the OP is wrong for caring. She’s asking for guidance, nothing has suggested she’s going to go on at them in a crass and heavy handed manner

blackpooolrock · Yesterday 16:23

I wouldn't say anything, It's none of your business what they do.

If they wanted your advice they would ask for it - they haven't.

Legomania · Yesterday 16:27

Absolutely say something op. Just be upfront

I could live with someone thinking I was interfering if it concerned a baby's safety. Sleep safety isn't some old wives' tale.

Dmsandfloatydress · Yesterday 16:27

Just be curious, like the previous poster and say , when i had mine my very bossy HV was adamant that they had to sleep on their backs because of SIDS risk. I guess its different for babies that have been in NICU?

Galexia · Yesterday 16:34

MyHeartyTealBear · Yesterday 15:11

Owlet is complete nonsense so that’s a non concern

Owlet isn't nonsense, it is an extremely accurate pulse oximeter.

Scarlettpixie · Yesterday 16:38

Just because the risk of SIDS for front sleepers is higher, it is still tiny. Maybe they advised this in NICU.

Deadleaves77 · Yesterday 16:44

The lullaby trust/safe sleep is pretty much rammed down your throat by HV/MWs these days, especially if someone in the household smokes. Id be surprised if this information had bypassed them

The baby was being watched at the time, the risk is still very small. Im not sure in your position Id say anything

Lemsipprwot · Yesterday 16:45

Motomum23 · Yesterday 15:12

Most i would do is say 'oh I could never bring myself to put my little ones like that I would be constantly worried about sids'. Then leave her to it, you've delivered a subtle warning.

WTAF @Motomum23 ?