To ask if you watched Andy Burnham’s bloody good speech?

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As in actually watched it and didn’t just doom scroll the commentary? It was bold and honest and pragmatic and actually made me hopeful that we have someone at the helm with a vision for a better tomorrow who has Britain’s best interests at heart.

The National Care Service is a masterstroke, paid for out of scrapping the triple lock and the very real savings of reducing NHS bills on A&E and hospital beds for elderly who should be in care but have nowhere to go.

Scrapping right to buy and increasing council control of housing, boosting the technical education track for young people, pushing renewables, nuclear and energy sovereignty, public control of key utilities for water to get bills down and reduce pollution, investing in people & getting them back to work, leasehold reform by Christmas and everyone’s energy bill will be reduced by fast tracking decoupling energy prices from global gas pricing and by having no VAT on energy bills by TOMORROW!

You can watch the whole thing here and be directly informed instead of getting your perspective filtered through all the bots and misinformation peddlers online m.youtube.com/watch?v=jyjTT_55Gi0

‘The type’. Ik you believe in Burnham but let’s see. You can’t change again if Reform gain again.

The conservatives have not influenced Trump and the Russians. This stupid blame game needs to stop. Burnham is sound bites and no detail. He’s got no headroom for borrowing and people are sick of taxation with no reforms to overspending and badly run government agencies. He’s basically not going to do anything. Except talk about Manchester. Even then he’s had to row back on his Man City ownership love-in that paid for regeneration in Manchester. Burnham was very little without them. Downing Street has had to step in. He’s just a local politician given a big stage but he’s not capable of doing the difficult tasks he faces. He just likes developers and big money to move in and hang the consequences.

We might be in trouble if they kiss and make up though. But Restore voters are so deeply and unashamedly racist I don't think they would be happy if that happened. I think they'd desert Lowe.

Yeah, I can't see it happening personally. Too much bad blood and too much ego on both sides.

If the Tories continue to tank, then I think we might see them forced into a closer alliance with Reform. But the last modelling I saw suggested that even that wouldn't be enough to win them a majority.

Not sure about that emoji for the left if the split is as such. It’s heavily away from a left type coalition if that’s where it all goes.

I look at those numbers and see almost 60%
for the centre right/right.

Hard to spin that as a ringing endorsement of socialism.

If the Greens wanted Labour to lose votes to them, they should have gone all out to block the popular Burnham. As its obvious to anyone with half a brain that Burnham makes Labour more electable than Starmer did.
And we do know that they didn't scale back their campaign so Burnham would fail, because the discussions on their forums are there for anyone to read, and I have.
The Greens know they can't form a government themselves, and that their best chance of influence is as many seats as possible in a Labour dominated parliament.

The National Care Service would be a master stroke if it was actually going to pay for care, which apparently it isn’t! Homes will still have to be sold and assets used up if they go into care homes.

You didn’t challenge the rest, so it would be safe to assume you agree with it.

I'd be really interested to see that research, if you've got a link....? I've got to say that does chime with my own anecdotal experience - from the people I've talked to, I get the sense that the more people without a strong pre-exisiting political allegiance see of Andy Burnham, the more they're warming to him.

The prospects for the far right increasing their share of the vote significantly are too small for me to worry about. I firmly believe that the vast majority of British people are too decent to go in that direction. And the more they fight amongst themselves, the better...let them split the right wing vote as many different ways as they like.

If these are the chosen amplified council by-election results for Labour then perhaps they not doing too well in votes after all.

Good job we don't require a ringing endorsement of socialism then, isn't it? All we needed in that instance was for more people to vote Labour than vote for any other party, and jobs a good 'un.

Now where, my dear TBY, did I say it was a ringing endorsement?

In fact I acknowledged that Restore are doing a good job splitting the far right vote and that we (as in the left) would be in trouble if the two Re parties kissed and made up.

But Labour won the seat, that is the main thing right now 🥰

Jobs a good un you say,

Funny that, I recall that phrase being used by others on MN during Starmer’s tenure.

He definitely wasn’t going anywhere ;

Yes, you are quite right - that’s all that matters right now.

Oh, ignore me @5128gap - I think I've found it! (and sorry if it was bad Mumsnet ettiquette to ask for instead of looking it up myself). Sharing in case it's of interest to anyone else:

The House Article | Andy Burnham's conference speech was remarkably popular

The way they conducted the research is interesting, as is how popular the stuff on public control was, although that doesn't surprise me, given how disgusted almost everyone is with the state of privatised water.

They're hardly representative of the country as a whole.

His ten year term speech….

That article - I’ll win the next election. Then, I never lose a fight. Posters said yeh to that too ;

The study is on PoliticsHome. I'm sorry I can't link but if you Google PoliticsHome study on reactions to Burnham's speech you should find it.

I posted the results as an example of how Restore is helpfully splitting the far right vote. Not as a "chosen amplified council".

You didn’t. You said Even Reform ran on getting rid of Starmer. So that has happened.

All I can say is that they went about it a very strange way by standing a misogynist who singlehanded turned off just about every woman with a vote.

I've found it, and shared the link above for anyone else interested - thank-you! Really interesting - although given my own response to the speech, it doesn't surprise me.

(You've actually done me a double favour, because I looked up Politics Home and it came up on Media Bias Fact Check as very low-biased, so, having had my interest and enthusiasm for politics somewhat re-ignited, I might start reading it more often, as I do find it hard to know where to look for genuinely non-partisan political reporting these days).