Would you vote for Labour/Getting rid of Triple Lock at the next general election?

[mybiggreenfrog]

Yes (YABU)
No (YANBU)

4billion versus 520 billion. Hmm.

They are economic migrants, most coming from safe countries. So call me sick if you want but I can't just turn up in another country and get everything for free.

The saving isn’t the latter figure though, in fact it’s going to cost more to do what he wants than save much.

I didn’t call you sick. Try reading what I actually wrote.

I had sworn I'd never vote labour again after feeling entirely messed around by them and their lack of support for unions.

But Burnham does seem to be proposing some actual socialist policies, and that could potentially drawn me back to them!

They get free NHS.

Charities provide some with free clothes and phones, HMG does not. Charities also provide other poor people with clothes and phones.

Who provides the taxis? Certainly not HMG except possibly in rare, official circumstances.

And spend more on defence less on benefits. Stop illegal immigration. It is possible.

How?

They can spend it on what they want.

Maybe not taxis, but the proposals to put them in ex forces barracks include a free minibus to take them to/from the nearby town.

The triple lock was only brought in in 2011. If back then they'd said that the state pension was going to be a guaranteed increase of whichever was highest of either 2.5% or prices, every year, with average earnings also taken into account, you'd have thought that was pretty generous. And that's all they're proposing to downgrade it to.

You mean the global financial crisis that started in the US from the sale of subprime mortgages?

Bollocks. You really need to stop watching GBeebies and reading The Mail.

Funny how Brown claimed the "boom" was due to his policies when in reality it was due to the "loose" lending of the banks which drove the housing boom, which in turn drove the general economic boom. You can't have it both ways!

Their luck of support for unions?

What did I miss? it seems to me that unionised workers are the only beneficiaries of this government. Oh yes, and child benefit cap

Renters’ rights, better sick pay, day-one parental rights, higher minimum wages, breakfast clubs and rail nationalisation all benefit people well beyond union members.

You can think Labour hasn’t gone far enough, but it’s not really true that unions and people with more than 2 children have benefitted.

How often will it run?

The arrival of asylum seekers increased most sharply under the Tories from 2021-2024.

Who the hell would want to join a union when they have shown such appalling disregard for female nurses? Who’d pay money to corrupt old misogynists?

Surely that’s a good thing? How else are they supposed to shop for food?

You’re missing the early 2000s under Labour. It was high then.

I love these threads as everyone slates labour and then never says who they’d actually vote for and why.

Ha yes the boom was Labour but disregard the bust.

Unions are currently campaigning for many things that support women. Equal pay, maternity and menopause rights, flexible working for people fleeing domestic abuse, pregnancy loss leave

The more women that join unions the more power they have to campaign for women.

Renters’ rights - landlords leaving the market en masse and rents are through the roof. This is direct consequence of the policy and was easy to predict. It doesn't matter how much rights you have if you can't find a property to rent/can't afford the rent

Better sick pay, day-one parental rights, higher minimum wages - you need to add Employment Rights Bill. So recruitment is frozen and redundancies are widespread, especially at the bottom end. SMEs don't hire, youngster struggle to find jobs. Labour policies aren't the only factor of course, but they helped immensely.

Breakfast clubs - it wasn't priority need at all, people who are now included don't even use it, and it's an extra cost which could've been directed elsewhere

Rail nationalisation all benefit people well beyond union members - let's agree to disagree about rail

ETA: On another side of this debate

• frozen tax thresholds
• ridiculous council tax increases in London (appreciate you don't care, but it does affect thousands of people and not all of them rich by any stretch)
• farmers taxes
• IHT on pensions - people spent decades planning for their families and goal posts have been moved
• employers NI - see above about recruitment

I'm dreading to think what is yet to come in terms of taxes which Labour will definitely raise to pay for all their policies. It's going to be yet another round of redistribution from middle classes to feckless

Oh I agree - but it's a low bar.